Why? this is one of the most civil internet debates I've read in a long time. The fact of the matter is we're not going to change each others minds here in this forum. We're debating this so on the outside chance that some 18 y/o stops thinking about his quad for five minutes and reads this thread. Possible searching information on his own and making an educated vote.

oh, and statements like the one you made here isn't going to help your side any......

 

I'd like to know when the democrats are going to come up with some credible candidates. Think back on the last democrats to attain the office or run for president. Carter, the worst president in out history. Clinton, the guy you wouldn't leave a female of any species alone with. Also looked right in the camera and lied to the whole world. Gore, i really think he's menatlly unablanced. Then Kerry slimes his way to the top. The man has no backbone, he blows with the wind on any issue, at any time. I know i missed a couple others.
I'm a registered republican, but would vote for any person who i thought would do the best job. I think the worst thing about all of this is that it weakens the whole country when we don't have credible candidates from all parties.

 

Anyone ever notice that when election time rolls around the democrats try to not appear as democrats, they will not put it on their signs, posters, or ads.....its like they are ashamed or embaressed to admit they are a democrat, but the republican canidates always make a point on their signs, posters, and ads to let you know they are republican.

 

ever heard of an analogy? If you need a handgun to protect yourself, your country is in worse shape than I originally thought. Ever notice that criminals won't stop robbing and thievery doesn't decline, even though you may have a handgun. They steal your HANDGUN FIRST!! Then use it too rob, kill or maim people. The "death penalty" is supposed to be a deterrent against murder too, look how that works. You were never allowed to carry handguns in Canada, fool, the only ones that can are police, conservation officers and trappers, for self defence. You can own a handgun here, but you must be belong to a shooting club, and inform authorities when you are transporting it.
You're right about the "second amendment", I don't know the ins and outs of it, and I don't believe you tried to explain it to me at any point, so I guess your memory is just as bad as your spelling. I'm not going to join you in insult hurling, not my game. Like I said before, I only get to see what the media wants me to see, and the US media is the absolute worst for bending stories into what they want you to believe . Anyway, repubs are too fanatical, gov't is too intertwined with military, and religion.

 

Bluethumb- With every post you just show yourself for the socialist that you are, why not just become the communist that you know you want to be and be done with it.......you new forum name could be KarlMarx[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

Is that what you call it? Hmm, never really thought about it. I don't think Communism is my thing. A government willing to go to war to get re-elected is no better than a communist. You have more rules and enforcement agencies down there than you can shake a stick at, random searches within 10 miles of any US border,etc etc etc. Don't talk to me about a communist state, when you're half way there yourselves under the repubs.
You guys are really easy to get started on things. Short fuse I guess. I wondered how long it would take to resort to personal attacks, wasn't as long as I thought. It did keep me coming back for more though.

 

We are all so close minded and sure of ourselves and beliefs that we cant even carry on a decent conversation. Look at the above posts, you people are ridiculous. I think they are both terrible, but thats the decision we have to deal with. Other people will have other views, and no one is perfect. The best way to convince others to come to your side is not to belittle others and call them names when they dont agree with us. I just think we all need to grow up a bit as a people and stop being so self righteous.

I also think that political topics are one of only 2 genres of conversation that can tear people apart. The other, of course, is religion. Neither of these things should be talked about over the internet, especially in an atv forum where we are all trying to come together to help each other and to help the sport.

JMO, let the flames resume.

 

we can always hope for an independent candidate to come along, and then have the political power and blood money of kerry and bush be pooled into crushing the third and only real choice for president---i wont be voting for it though, mine and yours dont count you know......maybe ill move to canada j/k....i work full time and have no car payment and still struggle to pay for medical/dental needs. i would move to thailand...but i cant own land there. if we want our country to survive, we need to spread out people around the world, all with connections back to america. if the whole world was as global as the japanese, there wouldnt be much use for wars, as it would just ruin the tourist industry of the area. its good to see other countries, because when you come back home, you realize how rich this country really is. but another thing i noticed is that people in other countries may be poorer, but there living much better lives than we are.

 

Bluethumb- Show me where in my post that I resorted to a personal attack......if you talk like a socialist and live like a socialist, then guess what you are a socialist, is that a personal attack on you? Do you feel that is an insult? You entered into this debate willingly and have put up some illogical arguement that have little or no merit. You sound like you dont know our history, heritage, politics, or values but you felt compelled to jump into this thread and give your views.....what gives....

 

That's what I was waiting for, some moderation. I agree with you, and probably shouldn't have carried on the way I have in previous posts. Just the title of the post, you knew, was going to instigate debate on both sides of this election. The Bush loyalists trying to justify their vote, and guys like me challenging them, to make people think of all the issues, not just single-minded thinking that you could later regret. It's healthy and entertaining to debate something you're passionate about, whether you agree with people or not. I tend to learn more because people take the time and effort to prove me wrong. I don't mind being wrong, just tell me why. All of my "opponents" have a perspective and most have a legitimate case for voting Bush. Personal attacks aside, it shows that you care about who's running your country and spending your tax dollars and on what. I don't want to get started on religion, I cannot fathom why people would follow it, or pay for it. But that's another debate.