Holy S@#! somebody else from Sudbury. It is a start. Hopefully will reevaluate it later on. I can understand on side streets doesn't take long for a kid to run out but on the back roads it should be adjusted.

 

ya. i know what u mean. but at least now i can just leave the jery can at home when i go to garson

 

The whole argument is the potential danger of the chase. As I have stated 1000's of law agencies around the US are amending their chase policies due to overwhelming statistics that show it dangerous to 1st bystanders, 2nd the officers, 3rd the criminal (which I am sure is not the main motive), and 4th property damage. It has been proven that nearly all runners slow and reduce reckless driving when the chase is over and you can still prosecute with identifying evidence collected in the early stages of the chase. If LAW, let me stress LAW agencies from around the US are saying it is best to end the chase and find and prosecute later in some cases then who am I to argue with people in the business of chasing and catching criminals. This case is sad and tragic with the loss of a child and no one let me say no one has came on here to backup their stance and say if it were their child they would get on a public forum and praise these cops with the same praise as they have done and speak so harshly and criticize their dead child as they have done this, “Stupid Kid.”

Did the kid deserve to be punished, defiantly as I have stated many times.

Could he have been prosecuted without a chase, more than likely 100% yes.

Could revised chase laws have prevented this kid from getting killed, yes.

Would the kid have gotten away with a crime with revised chase laws, no.

I am saying lets learn and use more cleverer tactics in criminal apprehension that lowers the risk to everybody and put an end to more frivolous lawsuits and tragic live ending stories.

 

I do agree with you. You have to weigh the danger during the chase. I agree with all you have said. I just believe that would have been a place to persue someone in relative safety. No one could predict he would have hit thin ice. Even if he was not being chased the outcome would have been the same. Their still would have been thin ice.The reason I say this is I don't know if the pursuit would have caused him to drive in unknown areas, people when pursued usually sick to familiar grounds, just my thoughts and experiences. I don't think anyone would come out and say their kid was stupid. It is a tragic loss to lose your child. Myself and everyone else that have children hold their children in such high regard, they would never be able to accept this no matter the circumstances. I know in Ontario I have already mentioned the one change for roadways, they have also adopted chase policies where they will discontinue the chase if risk is too high for the same reasons you mentioned. They have adopted stiff penalties as well for anyone that runs. I hope the agencies that changed their chase policies could also look at the atv policies on roadways. This would also eliminate the need as some people see to run. ATVers you also have to look at the risk and end result. Is it worth it? I don't think so. Do you have any atv laws allowing atvs on roadways? That was my other suggestion earlier about allievating the above situation. Change the regulations for roadways. I know some places allow it like where I live. Your not driving up major highways, but to get fuel,cross roadways, back country roads to get between trails. Just my suggestions to look at to hopefully avoid scenarios like we have been discussing. Anyway ride safe and have fun. Myself time to get the sled ready.

 

I agree that we cannot 100% assume the outcome in this scenario. We can only to learn and try to improve criminal apprehension. I am a southerner and we may have one day a year that we get snow flurries and rarely have enough ice to play on so thin ice is the first thought when we venture out on a frozen slab. Up north were you are use to ice cover lakes and what not thin ice may not be encounter as often and not considered. Either way the adult in this scenario should have realized the possibility and gave the benefit of doubt to the ice that it would be thin.

Would this kid have headed out across the ice well we do not know because we do not how long the pursuit of the ATV cops lasted. Imagine how far you would go pinned in just a minute. At 60mph you would have traveled 1 mile in just 1 minute. If this chased lasted 5 minutes the criminal would have traveled 5 miles. 5 miles is a long way to slow and make better path choosing decisions if you are not being chased. If we knew this we could make a better assumption if the kid would have ended up on the ice anyway.

Some in this thread have called this kid stupid for running and that he got what he deserved. Many in this thread have kids and still feel this 14yr old got what he deserved and the cops should be praised. That completely amazes me for as a parent I cannot fathom the loss of my child. Look at the pain Scott Peterson's parents are going through and he is an adult and should be expected to make rational decisions, but a 14yr old?

I only researched chase policies for US but seems Canada LAW agencies are beginning to see other possibilities too, good job! Stiff penalties for those who run is a new thought. Punish harder once safely apprehended if you run would differ running to, great idea!

Many of use have spoken as you that the atver should weigh the risk. If the atver was an adult I would agree but a kid we hope makes the right decision but is still a kid and cannot be expect to react like a rational adult.

A move that I think began in Canada that I research would be a great move across our two wonderful continents and make ATV travel possible for long trips. Seems some wanted to convert old abandoned railways to ATV passes. Imagine being able to travel across a couple of cities using abandoned railways.

 

Yes they have done it. they called it the Trans Canada Trail. It is about 10 min. from my home. ATV, snowmobiles, hikers you name it can use this trail system. A lot of the sections used were already snowmobile trails in use during the winter months, so you have access to lodging,fuel, meals etc. Some of the scenery is breath taking as well. You do come close to towns, but a lot of it is in the Canadian wilderness. Hopefully your agencies down their can do something similiar for atv and other outdoor enthusiasts in general. It is unbelievable you basically can leave the east coast and reach the west coast if you want on an ATV. It would be long but one hell of a ride. Just a note. Around my place some of the smaller lakes are frozen over bigger ones just starting. Ice will be safe by Jan 1 on most lakes.

 

We are getting a little off topic but I have looked into coming up there and spending a couple of weeks and ride your atv trails that connects town to town. I would defiantly want to come during your summer months so my wife would enjoy riding. It would be fun to ride a day sight see and lodge in a different town each evening.

When reading the ATV system up there sounds wonderful and I envy options like that.

 

If you check out atvontario.com they have atv groups with packages accommodations etc. you might want to check out

 

my god, i've never seen so much b!tching in my entire life, but i understand why its there lol [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img] maybe he had already been stopped once before and couldnt be caught again, who knows? can u imagine how he feels now after all u guys jumped on him like that? damn...i've never run, nor i probably never will but christ cant u at least hold back the descrimination and criticism??

 

[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] My previous comment was over the top and innappropriate. I apologize for what I wrote I was just screwing around, although I must admit that I do not feel sorry for the 15 year old kid....It was a tragedy, but his actions caused it. I am sorry for offending everybody....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]