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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:15 AM
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BigBlack, does your kid run from cops on his quad? You seem like the type that takes an active interest in his child and what he's doing so I suspect not. One of the problems is that parents just let their kids go nuts rather than pay attention and make sure they are'nt doing something stupid.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 05:04 AM
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BB,
I had a simlier experience with the law when I was a youngster.Somebody on a bicycle snatched a purse from an old lady earlier,and I just happend to be riding my bike around the same area as the crime.

I got treated like chit when they[police] encased themselves around me.But I dont hold these guys accountable for me fitting the description of a crime that had taken place earlier,they were doing there job IMO..Once they found out that I was not the one they were looking for,everything was cool and back in order,with apologies.

If you fit the description of a crime,they do have a right to use resonable force[even drawing their guns]to make an investigation,if they deem it appropiate and necessary for their own personal protection.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 07:58 AM
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Originally posted by: NJRaptor419
BigBlack, does your kid run from cops on his quad? You seem like the type that takes an active interest in his child and what he's doing so I suspect not. One of the problems is that parents just let their kids go nuts rather than pay attention and make sure they are'nt doing something stupid.
I waited a little while before I got a child. In my early 30's I have my first 10 month old so right now I can guarantee she is not running. I guess I will be in my late 40’s early 50’s before my child is as old as yours. I have had a good christen up bringing and will raise her with the same morals and beliefs that was instilled in me. When she becomes a teenager I will be an active part of her live and do my best to ensure she does the right thing according to her teachings. Will she ever do something I am unaware of; I would be naive to think not. I had great parents but still did stuff without them knowing and therefore I must assume my child will have the same teenage moments.

My hopes and prayers is the lessons I teach pre-teen will carry over and she will make the right choice.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 08:11 AM
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Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFEIf you fit the description of a crime,they do have a right to use resonable force[even drawing their guns]to make an investigation,if they deem it appropiate and necessary for their own personal protection.


True, all I am arguing is that police officers are not too good to re-evaluate their decisions and develop better and cleverer ways to handle petty situations.

I feel as citizens we can still support law enforcement and also question certain aspects to help make our life, the law officer’s life, and the criminal apprehension safer.

The litigations I have mentioned was just to state how it is in the real world. Today’s society puts everything under a microscope and lawsuits are abound.

Do I support frivolous lawsuits, absolutely not?

Do I support lawsuits against officers who ignore safer alternatives for the simple sake "I was doing my job” You bet I do, they are professionals and I expect them to make the "right" decision.

Remember they are human and a badge does not quarantine them from the responsibility of attempting to make the right decision. Cops who routinely make bad decisions need to have the badge remove but this will only happen if we question their decision.


Also in my situation remember I elected not to file a formal complaint.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by: BigBlack
Originally posted by: NJRaptor419
BigBlack, does your kid run from cops on his quad? You seem like the type that takes an active interest in his child and what he's doing so I suspect not. One of the problems is that parents just let their kids go nuts rather than pay attention and make sure they are'nt doing something stupid.
I waited a little while before I got a child. In my early 30's I have my first 10 month old so right now I can guarantee she is not running. I guess I will be in my late 40’s early 50’s before my child is as old as yours. I have had a good christen up bringing and will raise her with the same morals and beliefs that was instilled in me. When she becomes a teenager I will be an active part of her live and do my best to ensure she does the right thing according to her teachings. Will she ever do something I am unaware of; I would be naive to think not. I had great parents but still did stuff without them knowing and therefore I must assume my child will have the same teenage moments.

My hopes and prayers is the lessons I teach pre-teen will carry over and she will make the right choice.
BigBlack, I only waited untill I was 25 to have children, got married at 19 and the wife and I raised my boy's just as you plan to raise you daiughter. It has proven to us that it was the only way to go. The prayers and good example's are the most important. My oldest is marrying our pastor's daughter in january, he too will be 19. The youngest is 17 and very active in our church. What has been amazing for me to watch is the affect they have on their unchurched friend's. I know I said I gave up on this thread but this is a little off topic now and I had to comment. Not touching our only disagreement on this any more. Hope you don't mind.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 10:07 AM
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Although I do believe in teaching children the bible, that doesn't mean they are going to turn out well just because they were brought up in a church. Do you have any idea how many kids were brought up in my church, that are going out doing horrible things afterwards, and mommy and daddy think they are just little angels. And on the flip side I know some kids with really rough upbringings and they are really good people.

I think raising them with guidance and knowlege of good and bad has an effect on a child growing up, but I don't believe that is going to make them a good or bad person. It really depends on what is in the individuals heart IMO.

I believe the best thing you can do, is put what you want them to learn in front of them, and let them decide there beliefs. Forcing someone to do something only pushes them away in most cases!
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by: motox26
Although I do believe in teaching children the bible, that doesn't mean they are going to turn out well just because they were brought up in a church. Do you have any idea how many kids were brought up in my church, that are going out doing horrible things afterwards, and mommy and daddy think they are just little angels. And on the flip side I know some kids with really rough upbringings and they are really good people.

I think raising them with guidance and knowlege of good and bad has an effect on a child growing up, but I don't believe that is going to make them a good or bad person. It really depends on what is in the individuals heart IMO.

I believe the best thing you can do, is put what you want them to learn in front of them, and let them decide there beliefs. Forcing someone to do something only pushes them away in most cases!
There is never any guarantee's in life that is true. And who said anything about using force? It wasnt me. I just believe that it is a good foundation to build from.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by: motox26
Although I do believe in teaching children the bible, that doesn't mean they are going to turn out well just because they were brought up in a church. Do you have any idea how many kids were brought up in my church, that are going out doing horrible things afterwards, and mommy and daddy think they are just little angels. And on the flip side I know some kids with really rough upbringings and they are really good people.

I think raising them with guidance and knowlege of good and bad has an effect on a child growing up, but I don't believe that is going to make them a good or bad person. It really depends on what is in the individuals heart IMO.

I believe the best thing you can do, is put what you want them to learn in front of them, and let them decide there beliefs. Forcing someone to do something only pushes them away in most cases!

I agree. One of the wildest kids I knew was a preachers son.

Also, the law is written to presume innocence. So excessive force in an investigative situation is uncalled for in my opinion, unless a suspect provokes the officer.
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by: moldycheese
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Congratulations for putting you and everyone else on the road at risk.
hes not puting n e one else at risk, hes puting himself at risk. think about it, if he hits a car (say a midsize) whats going to happen? the quad will hit the car and maybe dent to bumper or something, and he'll go flying over the car and get run over. who gets hurt here? JTY2K, that who.
well said theres no way hes gonna hurt any ane else unless he goes through the windshield
(unlikly)
 
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:16 PM
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If deer can do it we can do it[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
 
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