MAN OF THE YEAR !!!!
Dec 21, 2004 | 04:43 PM
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houndog .................. i see whar your saying but its like this with all the us has to worry about why should we worry about those who dont even wory about there selfs ? now if we took all the money out of the us and tried to help each other and so on (jobs) we could and would make everyone have there own home and not worry about going hungry we need to take care of us before we can help any one else but like for example the bible i dont go to church but in it says if a plank is in your eye and your friend has one to and you help him out instead of yourself first to see what your doing your a hipprocrite.........well the us doesnt want any one but there selves to have weapons well to do that the us needs to lead by examle meaning get our weapons out of here to this is an examle so how would you do things houndog ? i believe id worry about our country first like the issue on iraq well they came bombed us didnt worry about the children and families here so why worry about theres? face it thry dont want us there and we sure dont want to be spending the money for them heck we cant even teach our kids morals anymore because the states and government dont want to pay the teachers eneough ........well ive thought of a great way to fix the system first encluding the president if they made the same amount of money and had the same taxes as everyone else lets see how there attitude changes the money would be there to pay for the bills we cant even pay now but they can make a credit card for the government like that but no intrest whats up with that one bottom line if government had same pay as the average citizen and payed same taxes no speacial tax brackets all the same weatherits 5 bucks to 100.000 a year it should be the same its bad enough that you get taxed when you get payed but you go to the store you get taxed how much do you really think the people will keep doing nothing? face it its getting worst and it will be a war wih in the us alone like i said before freedom of speech right say something that the government doesnt like your hit heck if you owe the state or fed tax there getting the money one way or the other and they dont care if your homeless or not but if they owe you lets see if you get it as fast as they want theres or if you get it at all and we call our selves far over here
Dec 21, 2004 | 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by: HoundDog06
Glen,
You did try to discredit TIME. Being TIME's "Person of the Year" is a great accolade as you put it. To try to discredit that honor (and by association the magazine that provides it) is the real fallacy here. I admit that Bush hasn't handled everything the way I would have like to have seen and Clinton definitely didn't do me any favors but both made accomplishments worthy of the afore mentioned title and that is important.
Ranger,
First of all here: . , ? ! : ; ( )
Please try using these.
As far as your comments go, you obviously know nothing of international politics. To say we need to keep our nose here until we iron out our own problems is juvenilistic and immature. The US, as well as all 1st and 2nd world countries cannot sustain itself without importation and exportation of goods with other countries. Regardless of what you wish to believe, the US would be very hard pressed to attempt to supply its own goods 100%. In fact, the cost of living would more than quadruple if we were forced to do so. When a country is involved in international trade, they are also involved in international politics. This means that a country must face pressures from allies and enemies. To think that the rest of the world would continue relations with the US if we were to idly sit and fail to acknowledge the politics of the international community is pure fantasy.
Further, to expect a country founded on capitalism not to have a triple class system (meaning that there are going to be the filthy rich, the dirt poor and the struggling middle class) is simply unfounded. These are a product of a capitalistic society and the best we can do for the masses is provide basic job opportunities to help those who want to help themselves.
~HoundDog
Glen,
You did try to discredit TIME. Being TIME's "Person of the Year" is a great accolade as you put it. To try to discredit that honor (and by association the magazine that provides it) is the real fallacy here. I admit that Bush hasn't handled everything the way I would have like to have seen and Clinton definitely didn't do me any favors but both made accomplishments worthy of the afore mentioned title and that is important.
Ranger,
First of all here: . , ? ! : ; ( )
Please try using these.
As far as your comments go, you obviously know nothing of international politics. To say we need to keep our nose here until we iron out our own problems is juvenilistic and immature. The US, as well as all 1st and 2nd world countries cannot sustain itself without importation and exportation of goods with other countries. Regardless of what you wish to believe, the US would be very hard pressed to attempt to supply its own goods 100%. In fact, the cost of living would more than quadruple if we were forced to do so. When a country is involved in international trade, they are also involved in international politics. This means that a country must face pressures from allies and enemies. To think that the rest of the world would continue relations with the US if we were to idly sit and fail to acknowledge the politics of the international community is pure fantasy.
Further, to expect a country founded on capitalism not to have a triple class system (meaning that there are going to be the filthy rich, the dirt poor and the struggling middle class) is simply unfounded. These are a product of a capitalistic society and the best we can do for the masses is provide basic job opportunities to help those who want to help themselves.
~HoundDog
Dec 21, 2004 | 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by: Bing
Its very hard to argue that GWB isn't the man of the year.
Who thinks it should have gone to someone else and who???
Please keep the responses civil.
Its very hard to argue that GWB isn't the man of the year.
Who thinks it should have gone to someone else and who???
Please keep the responses civil.
The hero who stood up to Rumsfeld and asked about the armor for the humvees. No question about it. Any one whos spent time in the military, knows about the courage it takes to question authority...and this guy did.
He got action , on something that even congress couldnt do, due to the bush machine stopping them. Now that its been spotlighted, and people are watching the issue, ...now were seeing action.
This probably saved lives, in direct contrast to bush costing lives.
my 2cents
Dec 21, 2004 | 06:18 PM
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MAN OF THE YEAR !!!!
Once again I would ask that you show the other members enough respect to use some puncutation in your posts. It really is hard to read a post that consists of multiple run-on sentences.
Now,
You ask why we should worry about those who don't worry about themselves and that since they don't want us there and we don't want to be there we should leave. I assume this refers to the war in the Middle East. First of all, the intent of the war is to instill freedom and democracy and promote capitalism. Have you stopped for a minute to think that this might not be just for their benefit? Monarchy controlled countries (remember ol Saddam who ruled Iraq?) do not openly trade with capitalist countries (that would be us). Capitalist governments however, openly trade with one another in an effort to stimulate commerce in their own countries. It is to our benefit to establish a democratic government in Iraq which will trade with the United States.
You claim that the US wants noone but ourselves to own weapons. However, to this day the United States of America have yet to attempt to remove any military power from any capitalist based country. Germany (**** controlled), Russia (Communist stronghold), Japan (Communist Controlled), China (Communist Stronghold)... each were made to surrender or disarm their weapons only after having attacked another democratic ally (or a direct attack on the US [Japan]). The newly formed republics of China and Russia as well as France, England, Spain, and many others house nuclear weapons which we have made no attempts to disarm because they have yet to threaten to overturn or attack another country.
I have trouble deciphering your last few lines of continuous thought. However, the idea of a government based credit card goes against the pure idea of capitalism. And as far as you having to pay your taxes on time; if you make an exception for one, who's to say the thousands won't further abuse the system. The rules of the government are clearly layed. If you wish to abide here you have to be willing to play by the rules.
~HoundDog
Now,
You ask why we should worry about those who don't worry about themselves and that since they don't want us there and we don't want to be there we should leave. I assume this refers to the war in the Middle East. First of all, the intent of the war is to instill freedom and democracy and promote capitalism. Have you stopped for a minute to think that this might not be just for their benefit? Monarchy controlled countries (remember ol Saddam who ruled Iraq?) do not openly trade with capitalist countries (that would be us). Capitalist governments however, openly trade with one another in an effort to stimulate commerce in their own countries. It is to our benefit to establish a democratic government in Iraq which will trade with the United States.
You claim that the US wants noone but ourselves to own weapons. However, to this day the United States of America have yet to attempt to remove any military power from any capitalist based country. Germany (**** controlled), Russia (Communist stronghold), Japan (Communist Controlled), China (Communist Stronghold)... each were made to surrender or disarm their weapons only after having attacked another democratic ally (or a direct attack on the US [Japan]). The newly formed republics of China and Russia as well as France, England, Spain, and many others house nuclear weapons which we have made no attempts to disarm because they have yet to threaten to overturn or attack another country.
I have trouble deciphering your last few lines of continuous thought. However, the idea of a government based credit card goes against the pure idea of capitalism. And as far as you having to pay your taxes on time; if you make an exception for one, who's to say the thousands won't further abuse the system. The rules of the government are clearly layed. If you wish to abide here you have to be willing to play by the rules.
~HoundDog
Dec 21, 2004 | 06:27 PM
#29
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Originally posted by: ranger696f
...id say it would be arnold swartzenegger for president in the future the way people are today heck elton john may be next
...id say it would be arnold swartzenegger for president in the future the way people are today heck elton john may be next
Dec 21, 2004 | 06:31 PM
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I see the rivalry of "The Evil Dr. Dune"[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] & "Patriotic Bald Mike" is still goin strong after all these months [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
