Any other ATV winches have this problem?
Mar 2, 2013 | 06:29 PM
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Any other ATV winches have this problem?
I've been having a major problem with the winch on my atv and I am debating whether to trash it and get a new one or maybe just replace the cable with a larger diameter. I wanted to see if this is a common problem or if it's specific to my Grip-On Tools winch that I got from Sportsman's Guide.
The problem is that any time I'm winching something that is not perfectly straight ahead, the winch cable jumps off the side of the drum and wraps around the shaft, creating an unbelievable mess. I have to run the winch forward and backward while prying on the cable to get it to jump back on the drum, otherwise it will continue to suck in more cable and spool the entire cable off from the side. The roller fairlead is on properly so it's not getting excessive angles, but it still jumps off all the time.
Today I was using the atv to winch some big firewood logs out of my pickup bed and it happened 3 times. I was parked directly behind the truck, but just the wood being on the left or right side of the bed was enough angle to make the cable jump off the drum. Really annoying.
So I was wondering if other winches don't have this problem or if anyone has had this problem and solved it with a larger diameter cable. Thanks for any advice!
The problem is that any time I'm winching something that is not perfectly straight ahead, the winch cable jumps off the side of the drum and wraps around the shaft, creating an unbelievable mess. I have to run the winch forward and backward while prying on the cable to get it to jump back on the drum, otherwise it will continue to suck in more cable and spool the entire cable off from the side. The roller fairlead is on properly so it's not getting excessive angles, but it still jumps off all the time.
Today I was using the atv to winch some big firewood logs out of my pickup bed and it happened 3 times. I was parked directly behind the truck, but just the wood being on the left or right side of the bed was enough angle to make the cable jump off the drum. Really annoying.
So I was wondering if other winches don't have this problem or if anyone has had this problem and solved it with a larger diameter cable. Thanks for any advice!
Mar 2, 2013 | 06:34 PM
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From: rindge, nh
just replace the cable with a synthetic winch line- I hate working with the steel winch cable.
but- to answer your question- you shouldn't be having a problem as long as the cable is going through a roller fairlead.
are you using the proper fairlead?
but- to answer your question- you shouldn't be having a problem as long as the cable is going through a roller fairlead.
are you using the proper fairlead?
Mar 2, 2013 | 06:38 PM
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From: rindge, nh
sorry- just noticed you said you were using the right fairlead-
is the cable spooled properly in the drum according to manufacturer spec?
in other words, is the cable feeding over the drum instead of from under the drum?
the cable should be feeding & spooling from under the drum, not over it.
is the cable spooled properly in the drum according to manufacturer spec?
in other words, is the cable feeding over the drum instead of from under the drum?
the cable should be feeding & spooling from under the drum, not over it.
Mar 2, 2013 | 10:39 PM
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Yep, it feeds from under. I'd switch to synthetic if I knew it would solve the problem but I'm not sure, plus I don't know if it would work with my Warn plow because of the way the cable attaches to the plow, if you've seen one you'll know what I mean.
Mar 3, 2013 | 06:15 AM
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????
I've seen / owned dozens of winches and installed many as well- and have also installed many plows.
So, I'm pretty sure I have a good vision on the setup.
I've never experienced any issue like you're describing.
You didn't post any pics or give any info about the atv either.
I can almost guarantee your fairlead / winch is installed incorrectly
or you're simply not doing a good job guiding the cable through the fairlead as it's winding in.
It's not a difficult issue to troubleshoot.
I'm not even sure what you mean by
is this what you have? If so- what shaft? It's almost impossible for the cable to wind around anything other than the drum due to the bolts above the drum.
It's hard to tell in the pic if there's enough clearance for the cable to get between the drum and motor housing- but if that's what you're referring to, I would check the fairlead position-
seeing as the fairlead is supposed to put the cable directly in front of the drum no matter what angle the clevis is at.
You have to manipulate and "guide" the cable as it winds into the drum through the fairlead- like every winch that doesn't have an auto-spooler, there's only so much the fairlead will do. proper re-spooling of the cable requires intervention on your part as well.
like I said- the winch is either installed incorrectly or it's operator error.
I've seen / owned dozens of winches and installed many as well- and have also installed many plows.
So, I'm pretty sure I have a good vision on the setup.
I've never experienced any issue like you're describing.
You didn't post any pics or give any info about the atv either.
I can almost guarantee your fairlead / winch is installed incorrectly
or you're simply not doing a good job guiding the cable through the fairlead as it's winding in.
It's not a difficult issue to troubleshoot.
I'm not even sure what you mean by
the winch cable jumps off the side of the drum and wraps around the shaft,
It's hard to tell in the pic if there's enough clearance for the cable to get between the drum and motor housing- but if that's what you're referring to, I would check the fairlead position-
seeing as the fairlead is supposed to put the cable directly in front of the drum no matter what angle the clevis is at.
You have to manipulate and "guide" the cable as it winds into the drum through the fairlead- like every winch that doesn't have an auto-spooler, there's only so much the fairlead will do. proper re-spooling of the cable requires intervention on your part as well.
like I said- the winch is either installed incorrectly or it's operator error.
Mar 3, 2013 | 07:02 AM
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From: rindge, nh
I couldn't find the users manual online for your "grip-on" winch, but just a quick scan over a Warn winch users manual references how to spool a cable- I outlined the area in red that you should particularly pay attention to.
SPOOLING IN UNDER LOAD
The wire rope must always spool onto the drum as indicated by the drum rotation decal on the winch.
Power in the wire rope evenly and tightly on the drum. This prevents the outer wire wraps from drawing into the inner wraps, binding and damaging the wire rope.
Avoid shock loads when spooling, by using the control switch intermittently to take up wire rope slack. Shock loads can momentarily far exceed the winch and wire rope ratings.
The wire rope must always spool onto the drum as indicated by the drum rotation decal on the winch.
Power in the wire rope evenly and tightly on the drum. This prevents the outer wire wraps from drawing into the inner wraps, binding and damaging the wire rope.
Avoid shock loads when spooling, by using the control switch intermittently to take up wire rope slack. Shock loads can momentarily far exceed the winch and wire rope ratings.
SPOOLING IN UNDER NO LOAD
Assisted:
Have your assistant hold the hook with a cord or rag putting as much constant tension on the wire rope as possible. While keeping tension,the assistant should walk toward the winch while you operate the control switch spooling in the wire rope. Release the switch when the hook is a minimum of 4 ft (1.2m) from the fairlead opening. Spool in the remainder for storage.
Unassisted:
Arrange the wire rope to be spooled so it will not kink or tangle when spooled. Be sure any wire rope on the drum is tightly and evenly layered. Spool enough wire rope to complete the next full layer on the drum.
Tighten and straighten the layer. Repeat process until the hook is a minimum of 4ft (1.2m) from the fairlead. Spool in the remainder for storage.
Assisted:
Have your assistant hold the hook with a cord or rag putting as much constant tension on the wire rope as possible. While keeping tension,the assistant should walk toward the winch while you operate the control switch spooling in the wire rope. Release the switch when the hook is a minimum of 4 ft (1.2m) from the fairlead opening. Spool in the remainder for storage.
Unassisted:
Arrange the wire rope to be spooled so it will not kink or tangle when spooled. Be sure any wire rope on the drum is tightly and evenly layered. Spool enough wire rope to complete the next full layer on the drum.
Tighten and straighten the layer. Repeat process until the hook is a minimum of 4ft (1.2m) from the fairlead. Spool in the remainder for storage.
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