Thx blackballed, I guess the only saving grace is that I'm not a very agressive driver, I will have fun and I'm sure at times I will push myself and this may get me in trouble but I hope not roll down a hill side 8 times.

I do not understand why anyone would not be willing to take about any product that is needed or desired by others. After all that is what a Forum is all about. Yes it is nice to hear about all the fun we are having and maybe even poke at the other guys once in awhile. But to me it is a place to geather info and learn from those who have more experance and time. Sometimes even one of us newbie's will come up with something.
Agian thanks for your input.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: CaptnKidd"..I do not understand why anyone would not be willing to take about any product that is needed or desired by others. After all that is what a Forum is all about...."</end quote></div>

What you tend to find is often forum moderation far to caught up in the 'swag' mentality of forum sponsorship or even simply the chance to meet or visit with any 'player' well outside of our fairly mundane community membership. I have never witnessed moderation on this forum go down either one of those roads to date; yet, as you well know; a lot of folks out there just don't 'get out much' and vigorously defend whoever pitched the last freebie their way or effectively caused them to feel more important than our all somewhat normal lives afforded yesterday.

The bobblehead discussion surrounding the two Rzrs wrecked at Antelope Valley earlier this year (and the unexplained 'conspiracy' spin which quickly followed) was a classic example of what is described above. Brand loyalty was so rampant that it was impossible (on some forums) to even discern what happened there after pictures were leaked of not one but two Rzrs nastily tweaked and not looking like they were truly race ready in the first place.
Another problem tends to be that that separate moderator or 'just us' sub-forums are set-up and that a lot of private messaging between these 'priveleged' folk detracts from the 'peon' conversations merely bringing in the money or swag for the bguys off-line.
Membership finally gets wind of this fact or find that everybody's not necessarilly on the same friendship-type footing....and you can guess the rest.

I agree 100% that problems are unlikely if you use the machine as described above; yet by the looks of many Rhinos in use today...the limits are definitely being pushed, IMO, with a much differently constructed product.

 

....and if anybody still has questions as to exactly why "I" feel that gussetting is a good idea for my rig....observe what ultimately happened to this guy's friend (and the Rzr's frame) on the 2nd page here: (from the polaris ranger club forum) http://www.prcforum.co...ic......whichpage=1

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Again, you couldn't get guys to even talk about this subject just a few months ago.

 

wow what a mess. Brand loyaty is ok TO A POINT, but not when it makes you blind. We all want our team...the problem is our team is not always the winner and credit should be given to those who deserve it. One of the great things about this country is that we can speak our minds when we want. We need to remember that it's in our best interest to speak up. But the fact that so many do not or if they do they follow the loadest or most popular opion that allows others to control the out come without truth or facts to back it up.