One big redneck company where everyone owns someone, they have brought us modern masterpieces whitch make the world go around

 

Jealous? Not of IRS, but certainly of the 525 if it were put in a good chassis. Of course Polaris had to have input on the final build of the 525, KTM has essentially no experience in atv powerplants and wouldn't know the first thing about what changes would need to be made.

If you actually read my post, I make a mention of the raptors problems. I'm not saying anything about Polaris not being as good, just that they are far from leading the way in sport quads as "propolaris" stated.

And as for cvt belt drives in sport quads, that's not exactly something that others are copying on a bike over 300cc. The 300 and under bikes with belts mostly come from Chinese and Taiwanese companies. The Renegade 800 and KFX 700 have belt drives because the utility quad their engines came from use belt drives, not because the scrambler was better with a cvt than it would have been with a manual.

I'm not saying that the Outlaw isn't a good machine, in fact I'm sure its an excellent trail quad. My posts in this thread are a result of this post by "propolaris":

And I simply feel that statement is too erroneous not to be challenged. Sorry to break up the love fest, but IMO there's a difference between bashing a machine and opposing the notion that Polaris has left everyone else in the dust and the only way they can keep up is to copy Polaris.

 

Do you think you could have rode faster?

Your statements can't be further from the truth.

 

Jeff, if you look at all his post in which the Outlaw is being talked about, he has nothing good to say about it. He has very little seat time, yet he act's like he knows everything about it and all the flaws he see's in it. Look at some of his other post, there good for a laugh.

 

Looks like a nice quad, thanks for the vids Web. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Maybe now Polaris will put up and enter it in one of the Baja races or dare I say it; Dakar. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Ahhhh Dakar.....now your talkin!!!

 

That's not true. I said the thing was nice to ride until a certain point, and I also said it was fast as hell ............... I said during normal trail riding the thing was fun and fast. It was ONLY when I pushed it to the edge did I have any complaints.

I was being overly critical for a reason. I was pointing out all the bad I noticed (in my so-called limited seat-time) because the love fest was getting the better part of the debate. I never bashed it to the point where I said owning one is a bad idea. I was simply pointing out a comparison between SRA and IRS as it pertains to a sport machine and sport oriented riding.

I never said I know everything, but how can you say I cannot have an opinion because I don't own one? As I pointed out the things I noticed were in extreme riding conditions when the machine was being pushed very hard, under race-like conditions. At no point did I say that YOU could not ride it fast, I only indicated that I MYSELF could not ride the same way as I do on a SRA machine.

What is good for a laugh is that some Outlaw owners/lovers are taking it as a personal attack or something. This whole time the only point I was trying to make is that it is a different type of ride that requires a different type of riding skill. We will see in the future if the IRS equates well to a national championship or a Baja win since that is the only place any of this might matter.

If my posts are such a joke you are obviously not reading them carefully enough or you are too biased to understand what I'm saying. You act like I said the thing was a POS and cannot even be ridden. These things I'm pointing are true, I'm not the only one who has noticed them, many people have said the same and similar. In fact I read Polaris themselves said the setup may need some tuning or redesign to be race ready. As I said Matt Smiley said many of the same things I said, and not too many people would call him a joke, or accuse him of not having any seat time.

 

FROM OFF-ROAD REVIEW: On the Outlaw

"Next our riders headed out to spend the rest of the day doing some trail riding. These were primarily well-used trails with many whooped out sections. It was interesting to hear the feedback from the two riders as the day went on. While the first-time ATV rider continued to favor the Outlaw, our A level rider became less enthusiastic about it. Why the change?"

Primarily because the way the Outlaw handeled the long whooped-out sections. Our advanced rider felt the front end was a bit heavy, which made it harder to stay on top of the whoops. He also felt it kicking off some of the whoops in an awkward fashion that made it harder to control than other sport quads with a standard rear suspension."

This is one thing I was talking about. The rear end likes to kick around while under round gas-on conditions.

In corners, you could slide it but you had to be careful. It wouldn't two wheel so much as the independent rear end would hook up. So a steady throttle had to be applied or it would go which ever way it was pointed.

Again as I was saying, it goes where it is pointed, not where the bars are pointed. The rear hooks up so good it controls more of the direction.

In a race setting, it did very good for an amateur class rider. For experts, it couldn't quite keep up with modified YFZ's and TRX's. The Outlaw would be a great quad for tight technical trails with lots of uneven terrain to claw over. The motor was smooth and powerful and the Outlaw would be comfortable on all day trail

Again echos what I said when pushed harder. The experts might notice the amateurs will not.

Cornering is, shall we say, "different". Riders who are used to sliding the corners must change their technique. The rear end of the Outlaw tends to "hook-up" rather than slide

http://atv.off-road.com/atv/article/....jsp?id=317845

There is a nice pic on the page of the Outlaw high-siding in a turn that says it does not like to slide like a SRA machine.....again this is all the stuff I've said.

The only difference was that I was only pointing out the bad, not the good. But as I said there are a lot of good things about the machine too.

 

So your baseing all your comments on a atv article based on the 500 when it first came out. So how much seat time do you think those writers had? Mayby a day. So it sounds like you base a lot of your info on Mag articals, and we all know how acruate they are. Yet, Jeff wrote his review on the 525 and you don't believe him? He's not trying to sell mags, he's not paid by Polaris, so what does he gain by giving us his review? He's giving us his honest review so we as riders can make a quality choice on a quad if we want to buy it or not. And like I've said many times, you can't just hop on the Outlaw and ride it like a solid axle. And that is what these guys who do the article's are doing. They don't have much time on them, so they thus report on what you quoted. Jeff has much more seat time, so can give a more quality review then someone with just a day experience.

Now you say you don't bash the Outlaw. What about the topic on best trail quad. Everyone was giving there opinion, and I gave mine on the Outlaw 525. This is my response.

At first if your a SRA guy, it will take a little adjustment to the IRS. But once you have it down, you can ride it just like a SRA but without the harsh ride. This guy will never have another SRA again.
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No way, not until they do something to stabilize the rear ........

It does not track flat in turns like a straight axle machine, and it won't unless they find some way for it to imitate a solid axle.

And they absolutely suck on jumps unless the face is perfectly straight. In the rough whoops or off-camber chop they walk away from you. When you have power going to wheels that are not even inertia will carry you to the side that is getting traction first. With a solid axle this does not happen because both wheels are still flat and even even if only one is touching.

You cannot control the machine with throttle the same way, using the "hold it wide open until you straighten out" is not possible on the IRS system. It works on cars because they are designed to not break traction. While riding an ATV in the dirt aggressively it is imperative that you can break traction at the times you need to in oder to control the times you don't mean to.

The IRS has it's benefits, but aggressive riding is not one of them. Talk to Matt Smiley sometime and he will tell you the same thing.


Boy you really are not bashing are you, and it sure sounds like your speaking from experience and not from a article you read in a mag.


Then you come back with this.

There are certain aspects of the IRS that I personally did not like. Seat-bouncing for jumps or whoops simple did not produce the same results you get from a SA quad. Getting it to slide the correct way proved to be impossible for me, I could not get the back end to snap around, it only wanted to roll or slide minimally in the wash. After a turn when you are slung low onto the inside peg, the machine wants to keep turning until you get back up straight. On a SA machine you go where the handle-bars are pointing not where the rear end wants you to. The IRS shoves power to the side that is getting more traction, and the machine wants to turn. On a SA quad you can have the back end sideways but the quad will still be going straight forward. The Outlaw wants to drive you in the direction the rear wheels are pointing, and not where the front wheels are pointing..... in essence you are getting too much traction for the maneuver.

Don't get me wrong, like I said, with the right rider I'm sure the Outlaw could win races. I just don't think anyone who has been racing on straight axle machines their whole life is going to do it. Of course we are talking woods and not MX..... No way any IRS machine is going to compete in MX.


Nobody was asking for your opinion on the Outlaw. The topic was, what you thought was the best trail quad. But whenever the Outlaw is mentioned, you allways and mean allways seem to get in and start bashing it.

 

What I'd like to know is when did you actually get this seat time on the 525? Its was just released to the public last week. Were you at the media test that I was? Are you a racer that got a preproduction unit to test?