<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: unhappyraptorer

i was told that the ktm doesnt hold up to well</end quote></div>

Where did you here that? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] That is news to me!

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: kukerdan



and logs and ruts that you can just go right over with 11" stock clearance.. no chance of keeping up




Just for the record....11" of ground clearance is with the suspension hard as a rock.....if you want it semi-comfortable, you would need to soften up the suspension, which will drop you to around 5" of ground clearance.....the nice thing is, you don't have to worry about hitting the chain or disc break setup

 

from 11 to 5?

sir, are you madd?

 

You say they have a used 2007 KTM quad for sale? I could be remembering wrong but isn't 2008 the first year of the KTM's?

Also, I have to agree with GE4x4 on this topic. The IRS does extremely well, different doesn't mean worse.

(Hey GE, I'm assuming you're the same GE4x4 as on PredatorOwners?)

 

i belive the outlaw sport quad line was created in 2007, and the KTM version was creted then, but was very hard to come by, before i bought the ktm 525irs i now own, i was riding a friends quad on trips because mine was broke down ( two strokes are not the most reliable machines). he had the 500 outlaw for me to ride and he was pushing his rappy 660. i couldnt place any difference bettween the outlaw and a predator but the irs it had gave it the edge on the trails, when i went to buy a new quad i looked into the outlaw and decided to spend the extra money for the beefed up engine courtsey of KTM. i never had a problem out of it and i would recomend it to any sport riders. if you just wanna cruise on monthly trips with the family then the basic outlaw would be well suited, but if you want true performance then the KTM is the road to travel....

also i have raced built raptors and 450r's, and i never had trouble pulling away from them, although a banshee once left me at the holeshot ( i dont wanna talk about it ), there has not been another quad quite like the outlaw.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ScramblerX440

You say they have a used 2007 KTM quad for sale? I could be remembering wrong but isn't 2008 the first year of the KTM's?



Also, I have to agree with GE4x4 on this topic. The IRS does extremely well, different doesn't mean worse.



(Hey GE, I'm assuming you're the same GE4x4 as on PredatorOwners?)</end quote></div>

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I look at it like this. If you don't do MX or jump alot and you ride wooded trails more than sand go with the IRS. The trails I ride are rough and they are not 4x4 trails, they are just not very well kept. Since I have added the precision steering damper I can ride most the trails in 3rd. I don't have to worry about the front or rear droping into a rut and sending me flying off. When it does fall into a rut you hardly notice as the rear end doesn't hit. I have been riding quads for 4 years and it has been easy for me to adjust to the IRS as I am still developing my riding style. With my strait axle quad I never slid off to the inside with my outside leg on the seat to take a corner. With the IRS I will do this and go a little forward and the back end slides around the corner just like the strait axle. If you are not used to this you may think it is alot of extra work to corner but for me it has become just how I ride. I have been riding the IRS since January of this year and feel very confident and in control on it at all times. The only thing that has surprised me is after the turn when you hit the throttle it some times grips better than I thought it would and the front comes up in 2nd and sometimes 3rd gear. I also have the stock tires and I think a set of Razrs would fix this. The stock tires seem to realy grab sometimes and add to the inconsitancy. Almost everyone I know that went IRS have said they will never go back to a strait axle again. Myself I am not sure. I would like to have the new 700R and the new Polaris RZR side by side and give them a full test for about 2-3 years lol but since I am married with 3 kids I could only get 1 and I am glad I choose the Outlaw 525 IRS.

If you can wait till the 09's are avail. you should get a great deal on the 08 but if you can I would look into the 09's.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: bkesslerjr

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: kukerdan







and logs and ruts that you can just go right over with 11" stock clearance.. no chance of keeping up









Just for the record....11" of ground clearance is with the suspension hard as a rock.....if you want it semi-comfortable, you would need to soften up the suspension, which will drop you to around 5" of ground clearance.....the nice thing is, you don't have to worry about hitting the chain or disc break setup</end quote></div>


LOL. Man, that is SO funny. How do you make that quad into a low rider? My 200 pound+ friends couldn't make it squat like that when they <u>both</u> hopped on together. They both said the IRS Outlaw kicks @$$ and it was only a 500. I didn't get a chance to ride it but when my 2 Yammy-riding buddies tell me it RAWKS I have to believe them.

EDIT: This is freaking me out. It looks like I'm quoting myself because my reply is inside the box. I don't think Captain Morgan is @#$%ing with me that bad but I've had several mugs full already. Time for another! [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img] [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

I'm looking at the differences in the Outlaw 525 IRS vs. SRA, without comparing a KTM to a Polaris. They both have the same engine and carb. They both have the same tires and wheels, and almost everything else too.

The IRS is 20 pounds heavier. Less than the difference between almost any two people I ride with. If you think the IRS is too heavy, LOSE 20 POUNDS.

The 20 pounds of extra weight is concentrated over the rear wheels, the only wheels with power going to them, so they grip better. Several people have said that the IRS has better traction because both wheels are on the ground more often. Anyone who's ridden an SRA fast has lifted a rear wheel and knows what I'm talking about.

The IRS overall height is 7/10" taller and the seat height is also 7/10" higher. Hardly any difference at all. A good BM could seat you 7/10" higher in the saddle.

An IRS <u>WITHOUT</u> a sway bar will have twice as much body roll in curves, but the IRS Outlaw HAS a sway bar. Sure it handles differently but you just have to learn how to ride it. I do stuff on my 4x4 utes with IRS all the time that I've been told you can't do on them. I don't see where there would be any major problems with an IRS sport thats close to the same weight as the SRA sport. Practice, as they say, makes perfect. Of course it will be easier to learm the right way to ride it for a new rider than it will be for someone with decades of riding an SRA.

The SRA has 11 inches of rear suspension travel, but the IRS has 10 inches <u>on each side</u>. You can decide for yourselves if that means it has 20" or only 10". Both are better than most of the competition.

99.999% of the trails I fly down with IRS don't require 4x4, but an SRA takes a beating and gets stuck. An IRS doesn't. Believe me, I've been there and done that. The IRS has 220% of the SRA's ground clearance, 11" vs. 5". The MSRP is 300 US$ more for the IRS. To me the greater ground clearance and superior ride of an IRS is worth a lot more than $300. That's why I chose a Sportsman 500 over a Magnum 500 when both were available the Magnum was a lot cheaper. Having ridden IRS quads for 11 years and one SRA I won't ever buy another SRA, whether sport or ute.