All I can say is if the 2010 XP's were identical (i.e wheels, paint) EPS or not, the price difference would be the same $700 they were last year, everything would have increased $300. I guess what they're saying is the wheels and paint are worth $500 for 2010, plus $700 for EPS equals a $1200 difference. Even more confusing is that Can-Ams went up $500 in Canada (only $300 in the US) due to a bigger disparity with the US dollar (which is almost at par again), and power steering adds another $700, which equals a $1200 increase up here! LOL. And I thought they were expensive before. Local dealer pride/stupidity doesn't help.

 

Hey Jomax, small world indeed. Starting to see a few more XP's now, they're still fairly new. Neighbor just came home with a new 09 XP (non EPS) for $10,000 OTD including a 3500 lb winch, Can-Am dealer would get nowhere remotely close. Not only is the price better, the XP also looks better!

 

I second the comment on looks! Thats a good price for the XP I think, when I bought mine I was originally going to buy a Non EPS machine and wanted a new build. I went thru their build dates and picked the newest one (suppposedly non EPS), paid for it, after the fact the dealer (while I was buying ascescories) discovered it was a EPS machine, rather than "unregister it" I got it for a extra 500, now I'm really glad now I have EPS!, just hope it holds up.

 

Yeah the XP is a defnite improvement in the looks department over the old Sportsman...I like the looks of the front of the Outt'ys better than the XP but the XP looks a little better from the rear IMO. I think the front of the Outty is sharp looking...but the pointed nose does uncover the front tires alot allowing it to sling up more crap. Looks are one of the most opinionated areas,but play a big part in purchases.

My wife and I have been considering either a new Challenger or a Camaro. I love the Challenger's looks,I hate the new Camaros looks....my wife LOVES the Camaros looks. I like the HP per dollar of the Camaro over the Challengers...but damn they are ugly lol.

I've considered an Outty everytime I bought a Polaris and each time the main reason,not the ONLY but the MAIN reason, I went with the Polaris was the Visco-Lok. It just ruined the Outty for me. Now that isn't an issue on the DPS models...that made the choice much harder,when Polaris didn't come out with an 850 X2 that made the choice alot easier to go with the Outty. If I was looking for a single seater...it would be a hard one having put some time on the Outty. I'm not talking riding each around the dealers parking lot. After riding the Outty the choice between a single seat XP and the single seat Outty would be even harder for me. Between a single seat XP and a Max no contest for me...the Max wins. Not apples to apples really but that is the comparision I have to work with.
Again I don't have the huge price difference to deal with down here.

 

IMO, HO, you made the right choice. Put aside all the technical stuff (engine, suspension, blah blah). At least the Outty Max has a rack on the rear as apposed to the XP Touring. Besides the lack of a rack they really screwed the color option on the Touring also.

As for looks, I say the Brute force is still one of the best looking. Xp is number two, and then CanAm is down the line.

The Camaro in Silver is sweet looking!

 

Well I don't think I put aside the technical stuff. Yes it is cutting edge and new for Polaris. The engine is really not superior technology... they turned the engine to allow for a narrower seat and changed the firing which improved the sound...both of which are sweet improvents over the old Sportsman but really are just attemps to match up to the tech of the V-twin machines IMO. The fact that the 850's crank is now inline with the driveline is said to be more efficient... not so sure that has been proven...look at the driveline losses cc1999's dyno showed. The engine does have less vibe...I'll give it that...
The front suspension is in no way superior tech to the Outty's with exception of the deeper ball joint position ..which matters not with PS,and claims 1 more inch of travel. The rear "rolled" IRS was and attempt to achieve the same results as the TTI...less scrub...but it still has some scrub,where the TTI doesn't. I'll give Polaris the rear suspension by a nose,mainly because the jury is still out for me on the TTIs durability. Stictly suspension performance wise I am still undecided on which is better...so far in the riding I have done it the TTI has performed as well as the XP did. Although the Polaris does again,quote more travel. The TTI does alow for more clear area out back(ie wider area of clearance).

The "roller" clutch is the same design they have been using for awhile,except the set it up to work with the new clutch oreintation..they just decided to point it out on the XP.

I'm not taking anything away from the XP...leaps and bounds improvements for Polaris...but to say the tech is cutting edge compared to the Outlander is a huge stretch. I will say that Polaris's chages put it on the field with Can-Am.

I think if you look at both machines side by side as I have you would agree that from a tech stand point they are real close,and I give the edge to the Outty in several areas.

For instance...some of the little stuff...the Outlander uses Spicer driveshafts and U-joints...top quality stuff IMO...who makes Polaris'?
Every non-BRP component I have found on the Outty so far is made by a well known, respected company...that's all I'll say about that...I'm not here to bash Polaris. Looking close at the Outty though I can see how i probably cost BRP more to make than the XP costs Polaris. When Manufacturers out source components they have to pass the cost along.

Also look at the Automotive style ball joints,cast iron knuckes,larger higher quality tie rods...ect ect...I am not one to put aside the "technical" stuff,you should know that.

 

I know the X2 and ATP we have both have Spicer rear axles. They are the ones that let you run around the yard in 1 wheel drive so you don't tear it up too bad. I'm pretty sure that's what they went with on the new XP X2 and the Touring. Beyond that...

 

Right...not sure who makes the reg XP rear diffs...no markings on them that I saw.
Spicer makes the Outty's driveshafts,("propshafts" ) and AFAIK GKN makes the outty's diffs. I know they make the front and believe they also make the rear.

 

When I said "put aside", I just meant that the machine you chose seems to fit what you wanted regardless of the other "techy" stuff.

Every day you guys are sounding like the usual CanAm crowd. Just playin'

What I meant about cutting edge is "new". I believe that's what the phrase means. The Outlander has had very little change since the first Outlander 800 in 06 (just improvements on the same old model). Sometimes that is a good thing though. Just look at Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki. Very few changes, and they sell very well with mostly satisfied customers.

 

Yes...that is true...I wanted a 2up and the touring just was't hapening for me,but I didn't disregard everything else at the expense of getting a rear rack and easily removeable rear seat....it did play a part though. I wanted a 2up when I bought the XP...looked at the Outty Max and couldn't bring myself to buy one because of the Viso Lok...so the "techy" stuff steered me to stay with a Polaris.

Cutting edge means the position of greatest advancement,in other words...better technology...not just newer...also the tech is not really new on either machine. Cutting edge would be like a ceramic crankshaft,rods, pistons or something along those lines. Something never done before by ANY manufacturer,that leads to a superior product.
If Chevy changed from push rod LS engines to over head cams that would not be cutting edge,but it would be NEW for chevy.

I am not trying to sound like one of the Can-Am crowd..not even sure what that means. Who is "you guys"? lol Rutcutter and Kawifan? Hey if Rutcutter stays with a Can-Am 2 years in a row I think that will speak volumes lol...
Since this is the Polaris forum,and I could see how some are probably thinking I am talking bad about Polaris I'll stop now unless someone asks a specific question. Just giving my opinion after riding both machines,that's all. Again I think Polaris has came along way with the XP and have really leveled the playing field against Can-Am.
Too bad they didn't make a 850 X2...this thread would likely be about that machine lol. But I can say at this point if they come out with the 850X2 tomorrow I will still have no regrets about what I bought.