It was late, I mis-typed. It IS happening at US auto plants all over the country. Check it befor YOU talk trash!!

If the average American bought ONLY on price, the domestics would have no issues. You, have implied that people aren't smart enough to make decisions on any other factor.

Funny, I was thinking that you were the one sounding desperate! You keep making up numbers and submitting them as fact. You accuse me of not submitting any back up documents, when in fact, I did! You replied to that very post.

And talk about stretching...ha ha ha ha ha ha...That's funny coming from you. I am glad you have a sense of humor!!

 

For those that are interested in checking my facts, you can go to US Department of Commerce, Bureau of Economic Analysis. To get the specific data on trade numbers, look at this Table to get the specific figures that I used.

You can use data for any period of time you wish down to the quarters. This allows to to determine how good or bad things really are based on a quarterly, yearly or multi-year basis.

For the content values, I used the percentages given earlier in the thread. This are relatively simple calculations that anyone can do that should give you quite accurate results.

BryceGTX

BTW For those of you that actually checked my numbers against the table and noticed a slight discrepancy.. It is because I used values from the Quarterly Seasonally Adjusted Table.

 

This still doesn't address your usage of fake numbers nor does it address the real problem. Your calculations do not represent accurately a purchase of a vehicle like the Camry with 75% US content and 100% US labor. So, good try.

Now, the only REALISTIC way to outrun the deficit is to be stronger globally. It is also imperative to build products for our domestic market that are more appealing to our mass market. GM is constantly losing market share, so build a more competitive product. Again, this is the basic law of capitalism.

 

This still doesn't address your usage of fake numbers nor does it address the real problem. Your calculations do not represent accurately a purchase of a vehicle like the Camry with 75% US content and 100% US labor. So, good try.

Please point out where any of my numbers are fake. I could calculate every vehicle that Toyota makes. Add them all up, calculate an average and it would be a value that is worse than Honda, but not as bad as Nissan. An given that, it will be quite clear why to buy American. That is the proper way to calculate the effect on the economy. Now as far as using your 75% number, not likely until I see it for my own eyes on the sticker. Not that I don't trust you..

Now, the only REALISTIC way to outrun the deficit is to be stronger globally. It is also imperative to build products for our domestic market that are more appealing to our mass market. GM is constantly losing market share, so build a more competitive product. Again, this is the basic law of capitalism.

LOL, the way to outrun the deficit is to export more or import less, whats wrong were you asleep in class for that one also. And since GM will build plants in China, even if they own all the plants in China, they will not reduce the trade deficit unless they export to these plants. Since labor and parts will be so cheap in China, how much do you figure they will export to China? Very little!! I don't think you are thinking clearly here. Now as far as the US markets, GM will lose market share until its products fall in price to the same price as the equivalent non-domestic car. And we have seen this quite dramatically in the June GM sales figures. And if that is not enough proof, I am not sure what else you might believe. I guess you figure that everyone buys $42,000 vehicles like you do. Suprise.. suprise.. life at the other end of the spectrum of vehicles is so price sensitive that inovation is not in the dictionary. And at that end of the spectrum, price is the basic law of capitalism.

Once again, may I remind everyone.. the best way to reduce the Trade deficit and strengthen the US economy is to buy from American companys. Because as we have seen, we will send significantly less dollars off shore.

 

One main reason we have a trade deficit is that our country is becoming a service based economy. Name the richest people im america: The Walmart Heirs, whose company is the second largest exporter out of china, Warren Buffet, an Invester, Michael Dell, A computer manufacturer, and Bill Gates, a software guru. One thing they all have in common, save the walton kids, is they are involved in technology. Manufacturing jobsa are being shipped overseas becase people in the states dont want to work in factories anymore. The largest growing industry in America is the education and health/wellness fields. The idea of trade equilibrium exists only in text books.
tomorrows jobs

 

Excellent post mfvii. I posted similar information early on. The current revolution of the past 20 years or so is similar to the loss of farming jobs. We will continue to lose manufacturing jobs and they will be replaced with tech jobs, service jobs, and the US will continue to innovate. As I have proven before, it is a myth that the poor are becoming poorer. It is just the opposite. The middle class is moving up. Every generation has it much better than the previous.

Yes, I agree that we need to do everything possible to level the trade playing field. At the same time, people living in yesteryear may be left out. The writing has been on the walls for many years that change is happening.

It is a shame that people are out there making excuses for the likes of GM. It demonstrates a lack of understanding of capitalism, competition, and the American way. There are way to many American companies out there proving that they can compete in the face of stiff import competition. Look at Polaris. Many on these forums may have issues with them. However, they compete very well with 4 Japanese and one Canadian company. They know that they have to keep bringing it to the next level. Another is Triad Speakers. They build a phenominal custom speaker and 95% of their models are American made with American components. Plus, they compete in a catagory (high end speaker) that is extremely competitive.

 

Pred,

"Look at Polaris. Many on these forums may have issues with them. However, they compete very well with 4 Japanese and one Canadian company."
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Yes, but they lost their personal watercraft. Great water sleds nonetheless. The only American personal watercraft I think. And I think the engines were made in the U.S.A. too. My brother owns one of the last of the big ones.

 

What's this Lukester? You drag Bryce and I back into this mess then you disappear? That's not right[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Now, I can't fault Bryce with his Seadoo purchase. I have owned 3 and they are pretty amazing machines. The RX, RXT hull as well as the XP are amazing. They carve so hard when trimmed right that I have been thrown off on smooth water. I am a fairly decent rider too.

I have ridden all manufacturers other than Polaris.

 

Hey mfvii. I can't argue with the document because that is what we have been talking about in this thread. However, our trade deficit has only caused by our buying habits. The trade deficit is not the result of us going to a more service oriented economy. And manufacturing jobs are going over seas to reduce cost, not because people don't want to work in factories. LOL, people are waiting in line to work for the automotive industry jobs. And it is quite logical that the medical field is growing since our population is getting older on the average and medical costs are rising. And if you think that trade equilibrium only exists in textbooks, then you should look at all the countries in the world that have no trade deficit!! The fact is, we have a trade deficit because we import more that we export. And that is more the reason to buy American, to reduce the number of dollars shipped off-shore.

 

LOL, lack of understanding of capitalism!! LOL, Pred you are sounding like a broken record!! It seems that we have shown that imports are cheaper than Domestic autos. That imports have no more inovative technology than American autos. They have no significant quality, durability or reliability than American autos. So fact is price sells, and thats what it is all about. These are hardly excuses, but reality. LOL, Polaris on the otherhand does not have a price problem with the competition, unless you look at the inexpensive off-brand quads. And this will be the sector to watch for in the future as far as competition. In automobiles, the cheap offshore autos of the 70s (Honda, Toyota, Datsun) became the predominant force to recon with in later on. LOL, just like the next wave of inexpensive autos are already coming from Korea and China. And these autos will gain market share because of price, not some new inovative technology that they put in the cars. Inovative technology sells the more expensive cars.