Polaris has got a hit
Nov 11, 2007 | 08:50 AM
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I would allmost garrenty that is not a OTD price. With frieght and set-up, you would most likely be in the upper $4000 range. If that is OTD, then this guy should mention the name of dealer so people can call. Seen new 500 on ebay for $5400.
Nov 11, 2007 | 09:16 AM
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This guy didn't say it was out the door, I said advertised for $3999. Rarely is a quad advertised at OTD price.
This was last month, and I am quite sure they are gone now.
I see that a place in Maumee Ohio has 07's for $4899, http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/mcy/438968346.html
This was last month, and I am quite sure they are gone now.
I see that a place in Maumee Ohio has 07's for $4899, http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/mcy/438968346.html
Nov 11, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: duster
Guys... what was the weight on the 500 and how was the engine?
Any reason not to buy one other than the 525 being out now?
I might need to get in touch with this dealer.....</end quote></div>
The 500 Outlaw is approximately 44 lbs heavier than the 525 Outlaw, plus the fuji motor in the 500 carries a lot of its weight up high. I feel this had a lot to do with the original reviews that said that it would "roll on corners". The weight loss of the 525 and lower center of gravity is what makes the 525 handle so much better than the 500. The KTM engine also has a lot more torque down low compared to the Fuji, which makes breaking the back end loose on corners simple on the 525.
If you can pick up a 500 Outlaw for $3999 and want a nice trail machine I would jump all over it, that puts it below the price of the 400 machines. Like MG1quadman said most people need to give the 525 a try for themselves and see that a lot of what people say is just not true.
Guys... what was the weight on the 500 and how was the engine?
Any reason not to buy one other than the 525 being out now?
I might need to get in touch with this dealer.....</end quote></div>
The 500 Outlaw is approximately 44 lbs heavier than the 525 Outlaw, plus the fuji motor in the 500 carries a lot of its weight up high. I feel this had a lot to do with the original reviews that said that it would "roll on corners". The weight loss of the 525 and lower center of gravity is what makes the 525 handle so much better than the 500. The KTM engine also has a lot more torque down low compared to the Fuji, which makes breaking the back end loose on corners simple on the 525.
If you can pick up a 500 Outlaw for $3999 and want a nice trail machine I would jump all over it, that puts it below the price of the 400 machines. Like MG1quadman said most people need to give the 525 a try for themselves and see that a lot of what people say is just not true.
Nov 11, 2007 | 04:47 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GE4x4
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ss97
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GE4x4
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: bassetboy55
oh ya and my gto has IRS just like the new vettes. You're right the future is IRS.</end quote></div>
You are correct, and Honda was the 2nd to bring IRS to a sport. Honda just doesn't make a quad out of the blue. They feel that is where it is going, and the Outlaw has shown it is relyable and can be raced and win. The other will be following to just like on the utilities.</end quote></div>
IRS has its place, but it will never replace a SRA quad for MX and most forms of racing......
The fact that Polaris has struggled to find a market for IRS on a sport machine is evident in the release of a SRA 525 Outlaw. If sales were off the charts and IRS was really taking over, Polaris would not have spent the time releasing a 2nd version of an ATV that is supposed to be the future of quads......they would have rode it out for better or for worse....... but they realize that the "future" is a long way off if it ever arrives......</end quote></div>
Why don't you re-read your own post. You say the IRS will never replace for mx and most forms of racing. That's not a opinion, your stating as fact. The irs is 2 years old and you know the future. Then you say Polaris had to make a SRA as there IRS sales are down. Are you now on the Polaris pay role? Your the one shoving your opinion down our throats, but your stateing them as fact and that you know all. For someone with only 30 min of ride time on a Outlaw 500, you seem to think you have all the answers. And that is not twisting anything.</end quote></div>
What? Apparently you do not understand what an opinion is.
Just because I say it, does not make it a FACT ....... the very FACT that I am saying it makes it MY OPINION.........
You need to get a grip..... You are trying to force your opinion on me just as much as I am forcing my opinion on you .... this is the core driving factor behind a debate and this is the whole point of a debate ....
You apparently do not want to hear another point of view unless it agrees with yours. And apparently you know more about Polaris than I do, so why don't you call them and tell them that they are morons and should stop making all SRA machines right now ..... because apparently you cannot seem to understand that there is still a greater demand for SRA than there is IRS....You seem to feel that because IRS is perfect for you that it MUST be perfect for everyone and that is that!
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ss97
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GE4x4
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: bassetboy55
oh ya and my gto has IRS just like the new vettes. You're right the future is IRS.</end quote></div>
You are correct, and Honda was the 2nd to bring IRS to a sport. Honda just doesn't make a quad out of the blue. They feel that is where it is going, and the Outlaw has shown it is relyable and can be raced and win. The other will be following to just like on the utilities.</end quote></div>
IRS has its place, but it will never replace a SRA quad for MX and most forms of racing......
The fact that Polaris has struggled to find a market for IRS on a sport machine is evident in the release of a SRA 525 Outlaw. If sales were off the charts and IRS was really taking over, Polaris would not have spent the time releasing a 2nd version of an ATV that is supposed to be the future of quads......they would have rode it out for better or for worse....... but they realize that the "future" is a long way off if it ever arrives......</end quote></div>
Why don't you re-read your own post. You say the IRS will never replace for mx and most forms of racing. That's not a opinion, your stating as fact. The irs is 2 years old and you know the future. Then you say Polaris had to make a SRA as there IRS sales are down. Are you now on the Polaris pay role? Your the one shoving your opinion down our throats, but your stateing them as fact and that you know all. For someone with only 30 min of ride time on a Outlaw 500, you seem to think you have all the answers. And that is not twisting anything.</end quote></div>
What? Apparently you do not understand what an opinion is.
Just because I say it, does not make it a FACT ....... the very FACT that I am saying it makes it MY OPINION.........
You need to get a grip..... You are trying to force your opinion on me just as much as I am forcing my opinion on you .... this is the core driving factor behind a debate and this is the whole point of a debate ....
You apparently do not want to hear another point of view unless it agrees with yours. And apparently you know more about Polaris than I do, so why don't you call them and tell them that they are morons and should stop making all SRA machines right now ..... because apparently you cannot seem to understand that there is still a greater demand for SRA than there is IRS....You seem to feel that because IRS is perfect for you that it MUST be perfect for everyone and that is that!
Nov 11, 2007 | 04:58 PM
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I don't mind hearing opinions from someone with actuall experience on a quad. You can't make a opinion on 30 min of ride time. So by you making such statement or as you call them opinions, tells me you allready had in your mine that IRS wasn't good before you even rode it. Then the very short time you rode it, you were looking for every flaw you could think of. I have tons of seat time on both, so I can say that a IRS can be raced in most forms of racing. And now with the 525 ending it's 1st year of racing, it's backing what I'm saying. And you will see more for 08. The Honda IRS IMHO will also do well even tho it's heavier.
Nov 11, 2007 | 05:40 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GE4x4
I don't mind hearing opinions from someone with actuall experience on a quad. You can't make a opinion on 30 min of ride time. So by you making such statement or as you call them opinions, tells me you allready had in your mine that IRS wasn't good before you even rode it. Then the very short time you rode it, you were looking for every flaw you could think of. I have tons of seat time on both, so I can say that a IRS can be raced in most forms of racing. And now with the 525 ending it's 1st year of racing, it's backing what I'm saying. And you will see more for 08. The Honda IRS IMHO will also do well even tho it's heavier.</end quote></div>
Well obviously you would know better what works for you. But why can't you seem to understand that I might know what works better for me?
Did you need more than 30 minutes to decide that you liked IRS? Or did you like it right away? I would venture a guess that you did not spend more than 30 minutes on the IRS before you decided that you liked it more than a SRA.
I have admitted that the 525 is by all accounts superior to the 500, and I admitted I might have a different opinion if I rode one.
The only reason I responded to this thread is that people were touting the 525 as the be all end all of sport machines that is going to make all others obsolete. I happen to disagree and feel that SRA machines will be around for a long time and that specific racing applications such as MX will always demand them.....
So right away people started saying I am harboring some sort of bias and cannot possibly have an opinion on the subject. And right away the main topic was skewed off into this tangent that was not my original intention......
If I can admit that IRS might be the wave of the future, why can't you admit that is might NOT be the wave of the future. None of us know what the future is going to hold.
Right now IRS is a special market. As you have stated in your own argument it is only 2 years old. So IMO it is very early in the game to say that IRS is the future of sport applications like it was for UTEs.
Like I said earlier..... when a 450cc machine with IRS is out there dominating the MX class I will admit that SRA is on its way out....
There was a time when I said that a 4-stroke would NEVER replace the 2-stoke for MX/SX applications, until Doug Henry went out and won a championship on one....and even then it took several years for the 2-stroke to die out ....
Even in top class XC none of the IRS Outlaws are beating Borich or Balance right now, but that does not mean they can't. If there is any top championship they probably could win right now it would be that one.
I don't mind hearing opinions from someone with actuall experience on a quad. You can't make a opinion on 30 min of ride time. So by you making such statement or as you call them opinions, tells me you allready had in your mine that IRS wasn't good before you even rode it. Then the very short time you rode it, you were looking for every flaw you could think of. I have tons of seat time on both, so I can say that a IRS can be raced in most forms of racing. And now with the 525 ending it's 1st year of racing, it's backing what I'm saying. And you will see more for 08. The Honda IRS IMHO will also do well even tho it's heavier.</end quote></div>
Well obviously you would know better what works for you. But why can't you seem to understand that I might know what works better for me?
Did you need more than 30 minutes to decide that you liked IRS? Or did you like it right away? I would venture a guess that you did not spend more than 30 minutes on the IRS before you decided that you liked it more than a SRA.
I have admitted that the 525 is by all accounts superior to the 500, and I admitted I might have a different opinion if I rode one.
The only reason I responded to this thread is that people were touting the 525 as the be all end all of sport machines that is going to make all others obsolete. I happen to disagree and feel that SRA machines will be around for a long time and that specific racing applications such as MX will always demand them.....
So right away people started saying I am harboring some sort of bias and cannot possibly have an opinion on the subject. And right away the main topic was skewed off into this tangent that was not my original intention......
If I can admit that IRS might be the wave of the future, why can't you admit that is might NOT be the wave of the future. None of us know what the future is going to hold.
Right now IRS is a special market. As you have stated in your own argument it is only 2 years old. So IMO it is very early in the game to say that IRS is the future of sport applications like it was for UTEs.
Like I said earlier..... when a 450cc machine with IRS is out there dominating the MX class I will admit that SRA is on its way out....
There was a time when I said that a 4-stroke would NEVER replace the 2-stoke for MX/SX applications, until Doug Henry went out and won a championship on one....and even then it took several years for the 2-stroke to die out ....
Even in top class XC none of the IRS Outlaws are beating Borich or Balance right now, but that does not mean they can't. If there is any top championship they probably could win right now it would be that one.
Nov 12, 2007 | 01:46 AM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Evasiveone
The 500 Outlaw is approximately 44 lbs heavier than the 525 Outlaw, plus the fuji motor in the 500 carries a lot of its weight up high. I feel this had a lot to do with the original reviews that said that it would "roll on corners". The weight loss of the 525 and lower center of gravity is what makes the 525 handle so much better than the 500. The KTM engine also has a lot more torque down low compared to the Fuji, which makes breaking the back end loose on corners simple on the 525.
If you can pick up a 500 Outlaw for $3999 and want a nice trail machine I would jump all over it, that puts it below the price of the 400 machines. Like MG1quadman said most people need to give the 525 a try for themselves and see that a lot of what people say is just not true.</end quote></div>
Thanks for answering my questions so directly and well.
That's exactly the type of feedback I was hoping for.
The 500 Outlaw is approximately 44 lbs heavier than the 525 Outlaw, plus the fuji motor in the 500 carries a lot of its weight up high. I feel this had a lot to do with the original reviews that said that it would "roll on corners". The weight loss of the 525 and lower center of gravity is what makes the 525 handle so much better than the 500. The KTM engine also has a lot more torque down low compared to the Fuji, which makes breaking the back end loose on corners simple on the 525.
If you can pick up a 500 Outlaw for $3999 and want a nice trail machine I would jump all over it, that puts it below the price of the 400 machines. Like MG1quadman said most people need to give the 525 a try for themselves and see that a lot of what people say is just not true.</end quote></div>
Thanks for answering my questions so directly and well.
That's exactly the type of feedback I was hoping for.
Nov 14, 2007 | 02:33 AM
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[img]i/expressions/devil.gif[/img] I'm going to stir this pot one more time...
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GE4x4
Even in top class XC none of the IRS Outlaws are beating Borich or Balance right now, but that does not mean they can't. If there is any top championship they probably could win right now it would be that one.</end quote></div>
Well said, and neither is anybody else on anything else.
The point being, if Polaris could put Balance on an Outlaw IRS and back him with a team that could set it up to his liking... you can trust me when I say we would not be on here discussing this. But this is also where we have to draw the line between racing and the trails as well as between pro riders and the quads.
This would be true for the same reasons I had to explain this weekend at the cart races. I went out in a two-seat amature cart with my daughter riding shotgun... which means this little cart was hauling 300 lbs between the two of us and suit-up gear. Yet I lapped the entire field, all pro carts included. I got flagged into the pits and ended up having to get into another amature cart if I wanted to proceed... which we did, and I proceeded to come from laps down to lap the entire field again.... although the cart didn't handle entirely as well.
The point/explanation being... I just had something out there nobody else did, and it wasn't equipment. I can "feel out" my ride quickly for it's limits, and pick out the best lines to put it in. And once I commit to a line, I have the ***** to stick to it and drive in hard if need be to gain track position.... and once I get out front, I just check out, being that I'm clear to run my lines exactly like I want to.... and the next thing I know I'm in lap traffic. The same used to be true about me back in the day on dirtbikes and ATV's.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: GE4x4
Even in top class XC none of the IRS Outlaws are beating Borich or Balance right now, but that does not mean they can't. If there is any top championship they probably could win right now it would be that one.</end quote></div>
Well said, and neither is anybody else on anything else.
The point being, if Polaris could put Balance on an Outlaw IRS and back him with a team that could set it up to his liking... you can trust me when I say we would not be on here discussing this. But this is also where we have to draw the line between racing and the trails as well as between pro riders and the quads.
This would be true for the same reasons I had to explain this weekend at the cart races. I went out in a two-seat amature cart with my daughter riding shotgun... which means this little cart was hauling 300 lbs between the two of us and suit-up gear. Yet I lapped the entire field, all pro carts included. I got flagged into the pits and ended up having to get into another amature cart if I wanted to proceed... which we did, and I proceeded to come from laps down to lap the entire field again.... although the cart didn't handle entirely as well.
The point/explanation being... I just had something out there nobody else did, and it wasn't equipment. I can "feel out" my ride quickly for it's limits, and pick out the best lines to put it in. And once I commit to a line, I have the ***** to stick to it and drive in hard if need be to gain track position.... and once I get out front, I just check out, being that I'm clear to run my lines exactly like I want to.... and the next thing I know I'm in lap traffic. The same used to be true about me back in the day on dirtbikes and ATV's.
Nov 14, 2007 | 07:47 PM
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You have the wrong guy with your quote. And I agree what you are saying. Polaris doesn't have a top top guy in the pro ranks to be competative. Baker was just barly a top 10 guy last year, and with all the new young guns coming, he wasn't going to get better. Plus he's right up there in age and works full time. He doesn't get to ride all week to practice. If Polaris gets a top guy, the Outlaw would have better showings just like Eichner in the WORCS series.
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