<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: sprayedgt

For ground clearance, power and reliability go with the 700xx. I absolutely love mine. For the people that say it's too heavy...505lbs is not too heavy when you have the extra HP to compensate for it. Power to weight is near identical between the two machines at .106 for the 700xx and .107 for the 700R.</end quote></div>

First of all lets quit trying to compare these two quads. Second as I said before the 700R is the best all around quad made bar none! If you want to talk reliability they 700R is as good if not better than any quad made. Look at how many 700cc engines there are in the world. This engine along with the 700 found in the Grizz are nearly identical the only major difference is the Cam profile for more low end in the Grizz. This is not to say the Honda motor wont be reliable but to say the Honda is better than the Yamaha is just plain ludicrous. I think we all love our quads we put our hard earned money on but if you want a slow trail quad or if you want to build one for the sand drags you just wont find a better quad than the 700R. If you did not already know the 700R is nearly identical to the 450 race chassis just a little bit taller to fit the larger engine in the frame. The handling for a big bore thumper is impeccable.

I will agree if ALL you ride is deep rutted trails you want to look at the XX but if you want a performer or a quad you can ride for a lifetime the R is the only way to go! I have been riding quad since the 250Rs came out in the 80's and I will say this I have NEVER rode a quad that keeps impressing me with every turn of the key like the 700R does!

TO sprayedgt: I will agree skilled riders need ground clearance but GREAT RIDERS improvise and make due with what they have to get where they want to be!

 

I think he really could go either way.

And saying that "The handling for a big bore thumper is impeccable" is sooo untrue. Big bores (I haven't rode the 700XX) are top-heavy, and have a higher center of gravity compared to a 400 or 450.

 

Why stop comparing them? The 700xx was built to directly compete with the 700R. Just because the Honda has IRS and the Yamaha doesn't does not mean they're in separate classes. So one person saying the Honda is better is ludicrous but you saying the Yamaha is better is what? It's called an opinion dude. Remember they're just like a$$holes. I know I like my xx a lot. I know I like beating up on the 700r's I have run against also. The xx has more power, 53, to the Raptors 47. Oh and I think I read somewhere that the 700xx also won both the Baja 500 and 1000??? I also heard the Raptor 700 was nowhere to be found?? The 700xx took 1st AND 3rd place with a Honda 450r in 2nd. Sounds like a nice combination to me considering it was in it's first year of production. They are both good machines don't get me wrong. But IMO the 700xx is better. I could have bought either one and the Raptor was a little cheaper, but I still chose the Honda. I have ridden the 700r and it felt top heavy to me. And most people that I know that own one also said the same thing. It's a very common feeling about the 700r.

To DODGE57HEMI: If you rode where I do and like going up the DOUBLE BLACK trails, you have no option to improvise. You either take the trail or not. No turn around, no going around, no other way but keep going straight ahead. But I guess that's why they always have an ambulance on site and 2 heli pads for the people that try to "improvise". :-p

 

Where to start 52hp yes! At the crank dont mean squat, I have that with just a air filter LOL

BAJA funn as the XX was the only quad to race that had full factory support! Just like Yamaha and GNCC! 8 wins in a row nuff said!

Realy Raptor top heavy that sounds just like a Honda rider cleshea as if the XX is not design the same way!

You want to talk trail riding come here to Co and I will show you more than just a trall filled with trees and mud. I am sure you ride hard trails but to say I dont well lets just say you have no clue!!!!!

See you on the trail! Or not!

 

Gary, that Honda 700 looks Bad Azz with the lack of plastic. That Honda 700xx is really growing on me. I think it or the Outlaw 525 would be the 2 best all around quads out there for the trails IMO. I'd love to ride them at the dunes and see how they do. I've seen a nearly stock 700xx climb Choke Cherry Hill at St. Anthony dunes in Idaho(one of the biggest steepest Sand hills in the nation) very well and that was enough to leave a good impression on me. It's a sweet machine for sure and so is the Raptor and Outlaw. Hard choices out there for sure. Good luck.

 

You must be using a top secret synthetic oil to have found a way to eliminate all drive train loss and make crazy gains like that with just a filter. Maybe it's the air in Colorado??

Of the top 10 GNCC racers last year, 2 were Yamaha finishing 1st and 5th. Honda had 5 of the top 10 with 4th place and 7-10th with I believe all being privateer teams. 20% versus 50% sound like a pretty lopsided finish if you ask me. So you can now argue that Yamaha dumps more money into Ballance's machine than Honda does into it's riders machines?? It's proven that Honda's backing in GNCC is about as bad as it gets with just $159,575 being offered for 2009 in contingency money. Yamaha is offering $452,725 for 2009. So what does that leave you to conclude? The Honda's riders have 1/2 of the final top 10 with much less support than Yamaha's riders have. Doing more with much less.

I never said you didn't ride hard trails. We all have. The best rider in the world cannot improvise in a situation that does not allow it. All I'm saying is that IMO the xx is better than the Raptor plain and simple. Like I stated earlier, we all have opinions. Accept it. Saying it's top heavy is far from a cliché from Honda riders. It's what it feels like to me and many, many other people. Just like someone saying that IRS is bad for racing sounds like a cliché from someone that doesn't have a machine with it or ever rode one with it.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: sprayedgt

You must be using a top secret synthetic oil to have found a way to eliminate all drive train loss and make crazy gains like that with just a filter. Maybe it's the air in Colorado??



Of the top 10 GNCC racers last year, 2 were Yamaha finishing 1st and 5th. Honda had 5 of the top 10 with 4th place and 7-10th with I believe all being privateer teams. 20% versus 50% sound like a pretty lopsided finish if you ask me. So you can now argue that Yamaha dumps more money into Ballance's machine than Honda does into it's riders machines?? It's proven that Honda's backing in GNCC is about as bad as it gets with just $159,575 being offered for 2009 in contingency money. Yamaha is offering $452,725 for 2009. So what does that leave you to conclude? The Honda's riders have 1/2 of the final top 10 with much less support than Yamaha's riders have. Doing more with much less.



I never said you didn't ride hard trails. We all have. The best rider in the world cannot improvise in a situation that does not allow it. All I'm saying is that IMO the xx is better than the Raptor plain and simple. Like I stated earlier, we all have opinions. Accept it. Saying it's top heavy is far from a cliché from Honda riders. It's what it feels like to me and many, many other people. Just like someone saying that IRS is bad for racing sounds like a cliché from someone that doesn't have a machine with it or ever rode one with it.</end quote></div>

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Well all I have to say is....is WOW! The Raptor is top heavy hmm?

Name any one PRO MX series that uses IRS on a sport quad and I will be impressed with the XX! Your statement about the GNCC is the same as Honda with Baja Honda just puts more money into ito those races than Yamaha.



Well I see this argument is going nowhere so good luck with your XX I will have many years to come of enjoyment on my Raptor all while riding any terrain/track I want!

 

I really isn't an argument, more of a discussion. But anyway. You can't race any IRS machine in the pro class because of the 450cc limit. No one makes an IRS machine as of yet that fit's that class. So there's your reason you don't see them out there. But there is an aftermarket to equip your 450's and 700's with IRS. In order to make that available there has to be a demand. Just not your cup of tea. Why do yo have a grizzly 700 that has IRS if you don't need it for where you ride?

 

whats up with you dumb suzuki dudes? honda is the way to go all the way, easiest to mod, fastest, and most reliable.

 

SilverBomb, I totally agree! The 700XX looks SO much better without those outerfenders. When I first saw it, I thought it was hideous... now that I can see it without the outerfenders it looks SO much better.

And quadxaddict, just leave. Really. Just leave. You are contributing NOTHING to the thread.