hemigtx, it is suzkui that is upset about the 250f, they wanted to build more of the bike but kawi didnt let them. suzuki is upset at the way the 250f handles. the motor is desighned by suzuki though.

i also say the z450 wont be out till LATE 05 or spring 06

 

There was no Z450 for the 2005 line up but they said they hope to release it around 2006-2007. And Not only Gust will be riding for Suzuki next year Jerimiah Jones signed a factory sponsorship w/them. They'll be riding similar quads to what Gust had this year, but w/ the tunning for there own riding style. But im sure the Z450 will happen preety soon b/c of the high demand.

 

O yeah, they make a replica quad of Gusts 4-wheeler, it has every part his does on it, but you tune it to your needs, and im not lying b/c ive seen the kid that has it twice, one at a race in princeton indiana, (jerimiah jones was there, the z didnt win but not alot of people can compete w/him), and one at an arena cross and he entered in the pro class against a crf450 hybrid and hi dollar/mod yfz, and whipped them both right out of the arena. And t princeton the dude wrecked off the holehshot in the 2nd moto so he didnt win. The quad isnt cheep at all, its like more than 15,000 or sumthin like that.

 

people are talking about two different things right now, lol some are talking dirt bikes and some quads. I think it would be cool if suzuki and kawasaki would just split apart and stop sharing design. I want engine variaty not just diff. colors and graphics.

 

Yes, I mentioned both bikes and quads. But ask yourself this: where did the engines for the YFZ, 450R, and even your Z400 come from? That's right, motorcycles. The engines used in the RMZ450 and upcoming KX450F will be the basis for the engines in the quads. You can't have one without the other, so until the manufacturers get some experience with their new designs, you won't see a new quad in your local showroom.

About Suzuki and Kawasaki splitting, that is unlikely to happen. The need each other to compete with Honduh and Yamaha. On the other hand, they have cooled their relationship for co-developing new products. Yes, they will still "share" products such as the Z/KFX400 and KX/RM65 and 100, but that's because the borrowing company doesn't have a product of their own to fill that market niche. Kawsaki has no manual-shift sport quad, and Suzuki doesn't have a 65 or 100 motocross bike, so they use each other's products with their names on them. Marketing 101, ladies and gentlemen. The KX/RMZ250 was the first, and very likely the last, co-developed product. Their partnership is like that of two stock brokers working for the same brokerage. Each has their own ideas and methods, but they both have to produce the same numbers in the end. If you look into the Suzuki/Kawasaki relationship too hard, it's easy to confuse it for more than what it is: a partnership, not a marriage.

 

dont get your hopes up, it will be stock with a bigger engine.

 

your point? most quads are stock when you get em from the dealer. I think it would be great if they made a Z with a bigger motor.