lt 230s
#1
im in the proces of buying two, yes 2, lt230s's!
one is in very nice running condition and has been bored out to a 250ish. im sure its higher compression, im 210#s and its hard to kick over. frame has been painted and the exhaust is aftermarket. havent seen it run yet, but suppose to be low hours. o new plastics! the bad??? no headlight, kill switch, or compression release. how will that effect the mechine?
the second mechine comes with the first. never turned over by the fellow im purchaseing it from, but suppose to run. it is complete exept for not haveing plastics. it was kept as a parts mechine, but why let it go to waste i say!
i will poast some pics sometime after saturday [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img] thats when i pick them up.
im looking for a good parts place, just randy said vincescycles. any place els i should look?
if i do decide to/need to rebuild the 2nd mechine what would give me the most bang for the buck? overbore and hotcam mabe?
honestly im a little intimidated by the big 230 thread so i thought i would ask here first
thanks
one is in very nice running condition and has been bored out to a 250ish. im sure its higher compression, im 210#s and its hard to kick over. frame has been painted and the exhaust is aftermarket. havent seen it run yet, but suppose to be low hours. o new plastics! the bad??? no headlight, kill switch, or compression release. how will that effect the mechine?
the second mechine comes with the first. never turned over by the fellow im purchaseing it from, but suppose to run. it is complete exept for not haveing plastics. it was kept as a parts mechine, but why let it go to waste i say!
i will poast some pics sometime after saturday [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img] thats when i pick them up.
im looking for a good parts place, just randy said vincescycles. any place els i should look?
if i do decide to/need to rebuild the 2nd mechine what would give me the most bang for the buck? overbore and hotcam mabe?
honestly im a little intimidated by the big 230 thread so i thought i would ask here first
thanks
#2
Nah, don't fear the big thread.... Come hang out! [img]i/expressions/beer.gif[/img] Kinda ironically, we talk about everything BUT 230's most of the time. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Vince is the place to go for crankshaft work or just talking about 230's. I don't think he has many parts left. What parts do you need? Ebay is usually the first place to check. Then there's rockymountainatv, bikebandit, cheapcycleparts, and denniskirk and places like that.
I'd bore the second one and maybe a webcam or megacycle cam. The jury is out on which cam is better, pass on the hotcam.
The first one is probably fine as long as you can start it, stop it, and don't ride after dark.
Vince is the place to go for crankshaft work or just talking about 230's. I don't think he has many parts left. What parts do you need? Ebay is usually the first place to check. Then there's rockymountainatv, bikebandit, cheapcycleparts, and denniskirk and places like that.
I'd bore the second one and maybe a webcam or megacycle cam. The jury is out on which cam is better, pass on the hotcam.
The first one is probably fine as long as you can start it, stop it, and don't ride after dark.
#3
thank you for the invitation, i think i waii hit up the big thread sometime when i need more answers.
230 parts must be hard to come by these days aye? i kinda feared that [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
i have looked at all those places, not a whole lot of selection saddly. but then agean im buying for a 22 year old mechine.
where would i find a webcam or megacycle cam at?
230 parts must be hard to come by these days aye? i kinda feared that [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
i have looked at all those places, not a whole lot of selection saddly. but then agean im buying for a 22 year old mechine.
where would i find a webcam or megacycle cam at?
#4
There's actually tons of parts on ebay. You just have to do the right search. If you do "suzuki 230" it seems to retrieve the most results. DK has a fair selection too.
I think you can order them directly from the manufacturers.
I think you can order them directly from the manufacturers.
#5
http://www.megacyclecams.com/
http://www.webcamshafts.com/
Yeah, I haven't had any trouble finding parts either. They have an extensive selection of oem parts where oem parts are sold.
What is it you're looking for?
http://www.webcamshafts.com/
Yeah, I haven't had any trouble finding parts either. They have an extensive selection of oem parts where oem parts are sold.
What is it you're looking for?
#6
i will definatly need a set of plastics, origional would be prefered. aside from that just odds and ends parts. like a fuel petcock and a wire diagram so i can hook up a headlight. but i would like to know where to buy things. ebay does have a fair selction of parts if i need them
is the compression release a big deal? the cable/ handle is missing but if need be i can activate the release with a pair of pliars
is the compression release a big deal? the cable/ handle is missing but if need be i can activate the release with a pair of pliars
#7
Plastics http://www.maier-mfg.com/index.php Also try ebay.
Odds n ends parts, go to one of those sites mentioned earlier or try ebay.
Compression release is only a big deal if its a big deal to you to start it. My friend never uses his. He claims it starts easier without it. I don't agree, but I'm not as heavy. Also, I don't know if the kicker can be damaged by putting that much force on it all the time.
Odds n ends parts, go to one of those sites mentioned earlier or try ebay.
Compression release is only a big deal if its a big deal to you to start it. My friend never uses his. He claims it starts easier without it. I don't agree, but I'm not as heavy. Also, I don't know if the kicker can be damaged by putting that much force on it all the time.
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#9
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: NewportHillClimber
the compression release is no big deal. i broke the cable on mine years ago. it is nice to use as a jake brake though to save rear pads.</end quote></div>
are you saying you would pull the compression release and let the engine jake break itself? that sounds prety cool!
the compression release is no big deal. i broke the cable on mine years ago. it is nice to use as a jake brake though to save rear pads.</end quote></div>
are you saying you would pull the compression release and let the engine jake break itself? that sounds prety cool!
#10
I don't see how that would work.... All the compression release does is hold the exhaust valve open. I would think it would slow you down less because of less compression. Plus it might even burn the exhaust valve. I don't know.... I'd have to think about that.
From Wiki:
"When the accelerator is released on a truck, its forward momentum continues to turn the crankshaft and compress air inside the engine's cylinders. When the crankshaft passes the top-dead-center position, the compressed air in the cylinder acts as a spring and pushes the piston back down the cylinder, returning the energy to the crankshaft and pushing the truck forward. Little of the energy absorbed by compressing the air is lost, so the engine does not effectively aid in slowing the truck. Of equal importance, even with zero accelerator input, there will be some trace introduction of diesel fuel (make and model dependent) which will still undergo combustion. Any power created from this will hinder efforts to decelerate.
In a gasoline engine, some engine braking is provided during closed-throttle operation due to the work required to maintain intake manifold vacuum, the balance coming from internal friction of the engine itself. Diesel engines, however, are unthrottled and hence do not provide engine braking from throttling losses.
A compression release engine brake uses an extra lobe on the camshaft to open a second exhaust valve at the top of the compression stroke. The stem of this valve telescopes during normal operation so the valve remains closed, but is locked at full length by a solenoid when the engine brake is engaged so that the valve opens as directed by the cam. This releases the compressed air in the cylinder preventing it from returning its energy back to the piston and accordingly, the vehicle speed is reduced.
The driver controls consist of an on/off switch and, sometimes, a multi-position switch that controls the number of cylinders on which the brake is active. When the compression release engine brake is turned on, it will activate when the driver releases the accelerator. There are also switches on the clutch and accelerator pedals that will deactivate the compression brake when the clutch is disengaged or the accelerator is pressed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_brake
Holding the compression release on the 230 will only hold the exhaust valve open all the time. That's not a Jake Brake.
From Wiki:
"When the accelerator is released on a truck, its forward momentum continues to turn the crankshaft and compress air inside the engine's cylinders. When the crankshaft passes the top-dead-center position, the compressed air in the cylinder acts as a spring and pushes the piston back down the cylinder, returning the energy to the crankshaft and pushing the truck forward. Little of the energy absorbed by compressing the air is lost, so the engine does not effectively aid in slowing the truck. Of equal importance, even with zero accelerator input, there will be some trace introduction of diesel fuel (make and model dependent) which will still undergo combustion. Any power created from this will hinder efforts to decelerate.
In a gasoline engine, some engine braking is provided during closed-throttle operation due to the work required to maintain intake manifold vacuum, the balance coming from internal friction of the engine itself. Diesel engines, however, are unthrottled and hence do not provide engine braking from throttling losses.
A compression release engine brake uses an extra lobe on the camshaft to open a second exhaust valve at the top of the compression stroke. The stem of this valve telescopes during normal operation so the valve remains closed, but is locked at full length by a solenoid when the engine brake is engaged so that the valve opens as directed by the cam. This releases the compressed air in the cylinder preventing it from returning its energy back to the piston and accordingly, the vehicle speed is reduced.
The driver controls consist of an on/off switch and, sometimes, a multi-position switch that controls the number of cylinders on which the brake is active. When the compression release engine brake is turned on, it will activate when the driver releases the accelerator. There are also switches on the clutch and accelerator pedals that will deactivate the compression brake when the clutch is disengaged or the accelerator is pressed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_brake
Holding the compression release on the 230 will only hold the exhaust valve open all the time. That's not a Jake Brake.



