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Jun 21, 2006 | 11:50 AM
#71
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ok this is getting old with commints like from Mdog"If your talking about extreme mountain climbing then the Outlander is the way to go; even the 400"
thats totals BS I can take my Rincon any wear you take your outty, and many other machine can do same , its a most time a matter of riding skill and yes sometimes the machine too.
thats totals BS I can take my Rincon any wear you take your outty, and many other machine can do same , its a most time a matter of riding skill and yes sometimes the machine too.
Jun 21, 2006 | 11:55 AM
#72
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Originally posted by: Mdog
What people who don't have real experience with a bomb's visco- loc fail to tell you is that the visco-loc is a traction control system it locks PROGRESSIVELY and within a SPLIT SECOND. This allows you to steer easier than any other lockers, has no speed limitations, doesn't need to hold any levers in to be fully locked (Kawi & Cat) can be left in 4 wheel drive all the time and most important when doing extreme side hilling (off camber turning while climbing) it will not slide down toward the lower side (losing traction) like other lockers. This is very noticeable when on very slippery mud or on ice.
We have had many situations where the only machines to make it to the top regardless of drivers were visco-lock Bombs and some even had the same tires on (ITP ATR's). Different riders same results every time. Try a test yourself either on ice, greasy mud, loose rocks or gravel to verify this (we have). Place them all in lock up on an extreme side hill and try to turn uphill; you will clearly see the Outlanders will not slide nearly as easy to the lower side like the others. While you are at it try a tip over test on a side hill, again the Outlanders will be the most planted followed closely by Rincon's and King Quads. Polaris, Brutes and Cat's were easier to tip over than the others.
These are real world results from a large group of racers and riders from my two-dealer friend’s inventories and our personal machines.
All machines are good it just matters how extreme you want to go.
What people who don't have real experience with a bomb's visco- loc fail to tell you is that the visco-loc is a traction control system it locks PROGRESSIVELY and within a SPLIT SECOND. This allows you to steer easier than any other lockers, has no speed limitations, doesn't need to hold any levers in to be fully locked (Kawi & Cat) can be left in 4 wheel drive all the time and most important when doing extreme side hilling (off camber turning while climbing) it will not slide down toward the lower side (losing traction) like other lockers. This is very noticeable when on very slippery mud or on ice.
We have had many situations where the only machines to make it to the top regardless of drivers were visco-lock Bombs and some even had the same tires on (ITP ATR's). Different riders same results every time. Try a test yourself either on ice, greasy mud, loose rocks or gravel to verify this (we have). Place them all in lock up on an extreme side hill and try to turn uphill; you will clearly see the Outlanders will not slide nearly as easy to the lower side like the others. While you are at it try a tip over test on a side hill, again the Outlanders will be the most planted followed closely by Rincon's and King Quads. Polaris, Brutes and Cat's were easier to tip over than the others.
These are real world results from a large group of racers and riders from my two-dealer friend’s inventories and our personal machines.
All machines are good it just matters how extreme you want to go.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is a good system, but it certainly has its limitations.
Jun 21, 2006 | 11:25 PM
#73
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Larger tires do slow the loc-up but it can easily be changed for your tire size by changing the differential oil just as some of the competitors did at the mud nationals. The Cat I was referring to was the V-twin not the others.
Jun 22, 2006 | 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by: Mdog
Larger tires do slow the loc-up but it can easily be changed for your tire size by changing the differential oil just as some of the competitors did at the mud nationals. The Cat I was referring to was the V-twin not the others.
Larger tires do slow the loc-up but it can easily be changed for your tire size by changing the differential oil just as some of the competitors did at the mud nationals. The Cat I was referring to was the V-twin not the others.
Jun 23, 2006 | 02:51 AM
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Get your self a two up bomb becauce they have more weight on the front end. They aso have the best engine braking get the 800. Stay away from polairs because they do not have engine braking on the front wheels they brake alot.
Jun 23, 2006 | 04:18 AM
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Originally posted by: Mdog
What people who don't have real experience with a bomb's visco- loc fail to tell you is that the visco-loc is a traction control system it locks PROGRESSIVELY and within a SPLIT SECOND. This allows you to steer easier than any other lockers, has no speed limitations, doesn't need to hold any levers in to be fully locked (Kawi & Cat) can be left in 4 wheel drive all the time and most important when doing extreme side hilling (off camber turning while climbing) it will not slide down toward the lower side (losing traction) like other lockers. This is very noticeable when on very slippery mud or on ice.
We have had many situations where the only machines to make it to the top regardless of drivers were visco-lock Bombs and some even had the same tires on (ITP ATR's). Different riders same results every time. Try a test yourself either on ice, greasy mud, loose rocks or gravel to verify this (we have). Place them all in lock up on an extreme side hill and try to turn uphill; you will clearly see the Outlanders will not slide nearly as easy to the lower side like the others. While you are at it try a tip over test on a side hill, again the Outlanders will be the most planted followed closely by Rincon's and King Quads. Polaris, Brutes and Cat's were easier to tip over than the others.
What people who don't have real experience with a bomb's visco- loc fail to tell you is that the visco-loc is a traction control system it locks PROGRESSIVELY and within a SPLIT SECOND. This allows you to steer easier than any other lockers, has no speed limitations, doesn't need to hold any levers in to be fully locked (Kawi & Cat) can be left in 4 wheel drive all the time and most important when doing extreme side hilling (off camber turning while climbing) it will not slide down toward the lower side (losing traction) like other lockers. This is very noticeable when on very slippery mud or on ice.
We have had many situations where the only machines to make it to the top regardless of drivers were visco-lock Bombs and some even had the same tires on (ITP ATR's). Different riders same results every time. Try a test yourself either on ice, greasy mud, loose rocks or gravel to verify this (we have). Place them all in lock up on an extreme side hill and try to turn uphill; you will clearly see the Outlanders will not slide nearly as easy to the lower side like the others. While you are at it try a tip over test on a side hill, again the Outlanders will be the most planted followed closely by Rincon's and King Quads. Polaris, Brutes and Cat's were easier to tip over than the others.
There do seem to be problems when you put much larger tires on them. Some people have problems other don't seem to. I don't know what to think on that.
However.
Bombardier/BRP/Burpalinga/Can-Am/Cookumunga/Cunnilingus whatever they are calling themselves this week, made a very serious error when they didn't provide an override or a switch of some sort to provide the rider an option to lock the front differential manually if he so chooses. Yes the visco-lock works great and better than a manual locker much of the time. Lets say 90% of the time. But for that other 10% of the time it would have been very nice to be able to lock the differential manually. This could have been done by either a switch or even by letting the user lock it in a progressive fashion like Kawasaki does via a lever. Then you could have a catch at the end of the lever throw to hold it in a fully locked position. It wouldn't have too great of an engineering challenge for their engineers to have added this during the designing of the front differential and it wouldn't have added that much to the cost of the machine. I know I would have paid extra for such a feature. As it is, the lack of a true locking front differential is one of the things that really make me hesitate about buying the outlander 800. I there was a switch as I described I'd probably already have one.
I for one hope Can-Am and the aftermarket are listening. Can-Am build an override switch on the machine please. You don't have to brag it up and wreck your visco lock marketing gimmick but sneak a locker override switch or lever on the handlebars. Hopefully the aftermarket steps up and build such a device. There are a lot of people out there who would plunk down a few hundred for it.
Jun 23, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by: Steveo10
Couldnt agree more!
You must be an air america fan with your cut and splice concept. Although I do agree that grizzlys are nice ATV's.
Like I said before, ride them all and pick the one that works best for you. It sucks to be unhappy with something because someone else talks you into something they like.
Originally posted by: Steveo10
Originally posted by: redmtn
What ever you do, don't get a Polaris
What ever you do, don't get a Polaris
Couldnt agree more!
You must be an air america fan with your cut and splice concept. Although I do agree that grizzlys are nice ATV's.
Like I said before, ride them all and pick the one that works best for you. It sucks to be unhappy with something because someone else talks you into something they like.
Jun 23, 2006 | 08:30 PM
#79
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LoL.. Bomb straight up copied Polaris AWD system, except I think AWD is superior to the Visco-Loc because it dosent matter if you up to 29.5 inch tires on a Sportsman, it will never effect the 4wd system. IMO Bombs are ugly as Hell, and its not like they have alot to market. Pretty much just power.
Jun 23, 2006 | 10:01 PM
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I wood like to save your life buy kepping you off a polairs. They are a flatland atv made buy flatlanders. The probles are. 1 no engine braking on front wheels 2 uncontroable brakes The reason for me saying anthing is becauce I have had four of them and had some real bad rides down hill . The back wheels lock up them you to add prower going down hill.