The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
Sep 11, 2006 | 11:08 AM
#41
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
Originally posted by: 700vtwinman
You are wrong! I will stick up for what I have experienced with my kawies. A bf750, prairie700, prairie360, and kawie 3000 mule (1998 model) and none of them have had any problems other than changing out the muffler on the mule, which after 7 years of use, that is to be expected. I think the point you guys are missing is when he started this thread, he attacked kawie and all bf quads by saying, "The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!" and other statements instead of being angry at the dealer. Yes it is a big hassel when a new quad has problems, but based on all he has said, it is his local dealer. And we all know that kawie doesn't own dealers, they give the dealers the right to sell their product. The dealer can be a butt head or not, but it is the dealers choice to do so. Why not start the thread like, "BF problems - dealer sucks?" That way, we know he is not attacking kawie, but the dealer.
And, as far as backing "american", polaris is in partnership with TMK and several of polaris motors are fugi, which is Japaneese. So, don't start with that cr4p. There is nothing now days that you can buy that is trully american. We are now a vegatable soup of companies that are all intertwined together. And, why should I try to be faithfull to a company when they all souly out to protect the share holders money and make as much as possible? Let me see, I'm a chemist for a research lab for SHELL and we now have all our computer support in India. That is b/c SHELL wanted to save more money, and thus took the jobs away from americans. It didn't matter if you bought SHELL gasoline or not, they would still do it. I am not loyal to any brand, but I will put my hard earned money to the company with the best quality at the lowest price. B/C you see, ultimately in the end, we are all on our own. You might think today you have a great job, but tomorrow that american company moves overseas to make a bigger profit, thus laying you off. Be loyal....go a head, but this country changed not b/c consumers wanted forgien products, but b/c of free trade and american companies becoming more greedy that they go at all cost to get their money, no matter if we are loyal to them.
Originally posted by: J0NJON
I completely agree with what RO has to say. If anyone on here knows me, they know i stick up for Polaris. I had alot of posts on my other name (JJonJon).. But anyway, like toyeboy said, no matter what brand, if this happens to anyone they have a right to rant on about anything they want to. Man, i may have handled your situation in a slightly different manner, but for the most part, i would've done what you did. And i would have been one pi$$ed mother f'er if this happend to me. Kawi guys this is not one of the type of posts to stick up for Kawi and try and be brand loyal. I mean, my god, its common sense to know that every brand, now a'days especially, makes good quads, and we all know theres plenty of people that have never had a problem out of their quads, like me (Polaris 700) but when something like this happens, he/she has a right to be pi$$ed.
RO.. I feel for you man. However, i think you need to take that chance on trying to get a lawyer.. Unless something else has already happend for you. It may work, and i think its the best chance you got. Anyway, i hope you get your money, and a good dependable quad back. Good luck with all your troubles..
I would share how my '04 Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak got "stolen" at the dealer, and they werent going to do anything about it lol... But i "MADE" sure everything went the way it was supposed to about that. And all went well....
I completely agree with what RO has to say. If anyone on here knows me, they know i stick up for Polaris. I had alot of posts on my other name (JJonJon).. But anyway, like toyeboy said, no matter what brand, if this happens to anyone they have a right to rant on about anything they want to. Man, i may have handled your situation in a slightly different manner, but for the most part, i would've done what you did. And i would have been one pi$$ed mother f'er if this happend to me. Kawi guys this is not one of the type of posts to stick up for Kawi and try and be brand loyal. I mean, my god, its common sense to know that every brand, now a'days especially, makes good quads, and we all know theres plenty of people that have never had a problem out of their quads, like me (Polaris 700) but when something like this happens, he/she has a right to be pi$$ed.
RO.. I feel for you man. However, i think you need to take that chance on trying to get a lawyer.. Unless something else has already happend for you. It may work, and i think its the best chance you got. Anyway, i hope you get your money, and a good dependable quad back. Good luck with all your troubles..
I would share how my '04 Sportsman 500 Mossy Oak got "stolen" at the dealer, and they werent going to do anything about it lol... But i "MADE" sure everything went the way it was supposed to about that. And all went well....
And, as far as backing "american", polaris is in partnership with TMK and several of polaris motors are fugi, which is Japaneese. So, don't start with that cr4p. There is nothing now days that you can buy that is trully american. We are now a vegatable soup of companies that are all intertwined together. And, why should I try to be faithfull to a company when they all souly out to protect the share holders money and make as much as possible? Let me see, I'm a chemist for a research lab for SHELL and we now have all our computer support in India. That is b/c SHELL wanted to save more money, and thus took the jobs away from americans. It didn't matter if you bought SHELL gasoline or not, they would still do it. I am not loyal to any brand, but I will put my hard earned money to the company with the best quality at the lowest price. B/C you see, ultimately in the end, we are all on our own. You might think today you have a great job, but tomorrow that american company moves overseas to make a bigger profit, thus laying you off. Be loyal....go a head, but this country changed not b/c consumers wanted forgien products, but b/c of free trade and american companies becoming more greedy that they go at all cost to get their money, no matter if we are loyal to them.
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Sep 11, 2006 | 12:52 PM
#42
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
squeege,
So true about American companies being full of greed. No wonder we have a bunch of problems in this country. American companies can export the labor for so long until the Average American can't afford a Quad. Alot of these scenarios are coming reality.
So true about American companies being full of greed. No wonder we have a bunch of problems in this country. American companies can export the labor for so long until the Average American can't afford a Quad. Alot of these scenarios are coming reality.
Sep 11, 2006 | 01:40 PM
#43
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
American companies have bought and paid for your local politicians. So buying American makes American politicians rich, then of course, it trickles down to us...right?
Quality and price aside, I endorse buying from a company that pays its execs a ratio of 35 to 1 rather than a (American) company that pays an exec 10 times (or more) that ratio.
It's unfortunate you have had this trouble. As the unit had 10 hours of 2:00 minute runs, I think Kawasaki has been reasonable. It is my opinion the dealer should have stepped up.
Quality and price aside, I endorse buying from a company that pays its execs a ratio of 35 to 1 rather than a (American) company that pays an exec 10 times (or more) that ratio.
It's unfortunate you have had this trouble. As the unit had 10 hours of 2:00 minute runs, I think Kawasaki has been reasonable. It is my opinion the dealer should have stepped up.
Sep 11, 2006 | 07:20 PM
#44
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
700vtwinman, i also think that was a great post as well, but it seems like you got completely wounded up and got WAYYYY of subject. Never once did i say anything about Kawasaki not being reliable. And not once did i say or brag in anyway a/b Polaris being American.. All i said was that i'll stick up for Polaris b/c i've had two of their products, pushed them about as hard as they can be pushed, and have never had one thing go wrong with them in over 2400 miles. Kindof like what you're doing for Kawasaki.. Its common sense to know that every brand has lemons and i think everyone also knows that every manufactuer now'days builds reliable solid quads. So there was really no need in stating something thats already known... But you went off talking about your job and SHELL and how the world is full of greed.... where did that come from? My whole entire post meant that every brand has lemons and we all know that. And whenever this type of situation happens, i think the person it happens to has all the right in the world to complain. Personally, i never really recognized that he was attacking Kawasaki. Just that particular quad he was sold and the dealer.
Sep 11, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
700vtwin man have you been sniffin to many chemicals down there at Shell????LOL, no seriously man, I could see were you have a right to feel loyalty to Kawie, you've had great success with them! You stated that I started bashing the company by starting this thred, The Brute Force Lemon!!!!!, If I was bashing Kawie I would have said All brute forces are lemons!!!!! Instead I stated that I was open to although Kawie builds lemons, every company has it's share. I did my homework on the net, and listened to the public and just ended up with a bad one @&#$^. Yes I did mess up, by going with a dealer across the state that I did'nt know,(it was bought on vacation AS A GIFT) but I don't think any dealer would have replaced this thing!!! I did not get what I wanted which was a solid quad and for the most part everyone has pretty much understood!!!! I've basically been open to the fact that I made a couple of mistakes, but everything anyone has said about Kawie, you've been right there standing up for them. Be open to the fact that Kawie could have sent a rep out, channeled this phone call up to the top, talked to the dealer etc. (DONE A LOT MORE) I personally had to talk to the owner across the state and get him to fight for me, ended up with an extra year warranty. I personally don't think that's enough, but that is what I'm getting.(UNLESS I GO TO COURT, THEN I COULD GET NOTHING, I THINK KAWIE AND THE DEALERS POCKETS RUN A LITTLE DEEPER THAN MINE)
"Can you feel that V-TWIN power???" (NOT REALLY)
"Can you feel that V-TWIN power???" (NOT REALLY)
Sep 11, 2006 | 10:44 PM
#46
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
you america haters are retarded, just buy what you want vote for who you want and shut up. You live i the greatest nation EVER! Quit complaining and MAN THE HECK UP! and the liberty is built in Osceola Wisconsin. also, if the guy has a problem he has the right to comlpain about it and find a fix to, get off his a$#. MAN UP, DANG.
latter yall
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latter yall
jay
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Sep 11, 2006 | 11:12 PM
#47
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
Originally posted by: J0NJON
700vtwinman, i also think that was a great post as well, but it seems like you got completely wounded up and got WAYYYY of subject. Never once did i say anything about Kawasaki not being reliable. And not once did i say or brag in anyway a/b Polaris being American.. All i said was that i'll stick up for Polaris b/c i've had two of their products, pushed them about as hard as they can be pushed, and have never had one thing go wrong with them in over 2400 miles. Kindof like what you're doing for Kawasaki.. Its common sense to know that every brand has lemons and i think everyone also knows that every manufactuer now'days builds reliable solid quads. So there was really no need in stating something thats already known... But you went off talking about your job and SHELL and how the world is full of greed.... where did that come from? My whole entire post meant that every brand has lemons and we all know that. And whenever this type of situation happens, i think the person it happens to has all the right in the world to complain. Personally, i never really recognized that he was attacking Kawasaki. Just that particular quad he was sold and the dealer.
700vtwinman, i also think that was a great post as well, but it seems like you got completely wounded up and got WAYYYY of subject. Never once did i say anything about Kawasaki not being reliable. And not once did i say or brag in anyway a/b Polaris being American.. All i said was that i'll stick up for Polaris b/c i've had two of their products, pushed them about as hard as they can be pushed, and have never had one thing go wrong with them in over 2400 miles. Kindof like what you're doing for Kawasaki.. Its common sense to know that every brand has lemons and i think everyone also knows that every manufactuer now'days builds reliable solid quads. So there was really no need in stating something thats already known... But you went off talking about your job and SHELL and how the world is full of greed.... where did that come from? My whole entire post meant that every brand has lemons and we all know that. And whenever this type of situation happens, i think the person it happens to has all the right in the world to complain. Personally, i never really recognized that he was attacking Kawasaki. Just that particular quad he was sold and the dealer.
Sep 11, 2006 | 11:15 PM
#48
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
Originally posted by: RO
700vtwin man have you been sniffin to many chemicals down there at Shell????LOL, no seriously man, I could see were you have a right to feel loyalty to Kawie, you've had great success with them! You stated that I started bashing the company by starting this thred, The Brute Force Lemon!!!!!, If I was bashing Kawie I would have said All brute forces are lemons!!!!! Instead I stated that I was open to although Kawie builds lemons, every company has it's share. I did my homework on the net, and listened to the public and just ended up with a bad one @&#$^. Yes I did mess up, by going with a dealer across the state that I did'nt know,(it was bought on vacation AS A GIFT) but I don't think any dealer would have replaced this thing!!! I did not get what I wanted which was a solid quad and for the most part everyone has pretty much understood!!!! I've basically been open to the fact that I made a couple of mistakes, but everything anyone has said about Kawie, you've been right there standing up for them. Be open to the fact that Kawie could have sent a rep out, channeled this phone call up to the top, talked to the dealer etc. (DONE A LOT MORE) I personally had to talk to the owner across the state and get him to fight for me, ended up with an extra year warranty. I personally don't think that's enough, but that is what I'm getting.(UNLESS I GO TO COURT, THEN I COULD GET NOTHING, I THINK KAWIE AND THE DEALERS POCKETS RUN A LITTLE DEEPER THAN MINE)
"Can you feel that V-TWIN power???" (NOT REALLY)
700vtwin man have you been sniffin to many chemicals down there at Shell????LOL, no seriously man, I could see were you have a right to feel loyalty to Kawie, you've had great success with them! You stated that I started bashing the company by starting this thred, The Brute Force Lemon!!!!!, If I was bashing Kawie I would have said All brute forces are lemons!!!!! Instead I stated that I was open to although Kawie builds lemons, every company has it's share. I did my homework on the net, and listened to the public and just ended up with a bad one @&#$^. Yes I did mess up, by going with a dealer across the state that I did'nt know,(it was bought on vacation AS A GIFT) but I don't think any dealer would have replaced this thing!!! I did not get what I wanted which was a solid quad and for the most part everyone has pretty much understood!!!! I've basically been open to the fact that I made a couple of mistakes, but everything anyone has said about Kawie, you've been right there standing up for them. Be open to the fact that Kawie could have sent a rep out, channeled this phone call up to the top, talked to the dealer etc. (DONE A LOT MORE) I personally had to talk to the owner across the state and get him to fight for me, ended up with an extra year warranty. I personally don't think that's enough, but that is what I'm getting.(UNLESS I GO TO COURT, THEN I COULD GET NOTHING, I THINK KAWIE AND THE DEALERS POCKETS RUN A LITTLE DEEPER THAN MINE)
"Can you feel that V-TWIN power???" (NOT REALLY)
Hey RO, I want to apologize to you as well. I guess I have let the stress of work get to me lately. You are correct about having an issue with the dealer and kawie. I hope you can get this resloved. Again, sorry for the attitude and good luck with fixing the problem.
Sep 12, 2006 | 12:21 AM
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The brute force LEMON!!!!!!!
700vtwin don't worry about it, we have all been there. I work in cardiology(hence, the lack of spelling etc.) so I have some idea of what stress is as well! I just had a 4hr ride home looking at this thing in the back of truck, dreaming about how bad this thing was going to be, and then of course everyone knows etc. The only thing I've been crying about is how Know one the dealer, Kawie etc. stood up, they all started running for the hills when I wanted somthing for my troubles! Can you imagine me looking at a patient on the table and saying not my fault? I will make a promise to everyone who reads this!, if I get this thing back and it's everything I've read it can be I'll bore you with all the nasty details! RO!
Sep 12, 2006 | 12:57 AM
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Ok now I'm gonna cry as we all sing cumbaya! lol [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] Talking bought jobs, i love mine but im a field mechanic for Fairbanks Morse Engine, and work 7/12's or god knows how many hours! and spent 250-300 days on the road. I'm in kansas now, GOD i miss my quad!