Too much winch.
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08-12-1999, 10:01 PM
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I was just thinking, I don't think is such thing as having "too much winch" on a modern 4x4 ATV, especially the ones that play in the mud and have big engines.
On the last Marshall ride we went on, my dad sunk his Sportman in thick mud, that had no water, up to the bumper. The Warn 2500lb winch pulled for a while, but eventualy quit working until we doused it with water and let it sit for a long time. This was some bad mud though, I had shovel and it wore me out fast trying to dig out from around the front of the quad. It took 2 winchs to pull him out, but at first even they couldn't, until they hooked on trees.
Other than that one incident, the 2500 has been find. But on an ATV this big, I don't see why anyone would want anything less than a 2500lb winch for serious mud riding.
Just an FYI!
Adam Dowden
PS-We might have made it with a scatch block, but we don't have one.
On the last Marshall ride we went on, my dad sunk his Sportman in thick mud, that had no water, up to the bumper. The Warn 2500lb winch pulled for a while, but eventualy quit working until we doused it with water and let it sit for a long time. This was some bad mud though, I had shovel and it wore me out fast trying to dig out from around the front of the quad. It took 2 winchs to pull him out, but at first even they couldn't, until they hooked on trees.
Other than that one incident, the 2500 has been find. But on an ATV this big, I don't see why anyone would want anything less than a 2500lb winch for serious mud riding.
Just an FYI!
Adam Dowden
PS-We might have made it with a scatch block, but we don't have one.
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08-12-1999, 11:34 PM
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08-13-1999, 07:19 AM
#4
08-13-1999, 09:27 AM
Tree Farmer,
You have a good point too. My WARN 2500 lb cost nearly 500 dollars to get it mounted. The winch itself cost 363.89 for me. And I got a good price on it. The 2000 lb winch cost somewhere around 280 and the 1500 lb superwinch cost 150. Doubling your power should usually get you up and out of the hole with the 2000 lb. I just wanted something big to pulls trees with if I tied off.
You have a good point too. My WARN 2500 lb cost nearly 500 dollars to get it mounted. The winch itself cost 363.89 for me. And I got a good price on it. The 2000 lb winch cost somewhere around 280 and the 1500 lb superwinch cost 150. Doubling your power should usually get you up and out of the hole with the 2000 lb. I just wanted something big to pulls trees with if I tied off.
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08-13-1999, 02:52 PM
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You are right there Adam. I don't think there is such a thing as too much. I just have the 2000 lb warn, and it has done fine, but I haven't been stuck in any bad stuff. Just winched it up a couple of steep hills. It seemed like it was stressing it some one time, but it pulled the bike on up. If I could have gotten the 2500 in the deal, I would definitely preffered it. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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#6
08-16-1999, 12:03 AM
A thing about ****** Blocks:
Most QUALITY winches have over-rated line anyway, BUT REMEMBER, that when you run it thru the block, you GREATLY increase the pressure on the line as it passes thru the pulley on the block.. The line on the winch side, and on the block side dont have as much, but as it runs across the pulley in the block, it briefly gets ALOT of extra stress.
If you are in an EXTREME situation where you have it doubled and its STILL heavily straining the winch, STOP just long enough to throw a wet shirt/jacket/or lean a decent sized dead log against it.. If it breaks, the weight on the line will send it toward the ground before it gets to your face!! (or atleast to the front of the quad)
Most QUALITY winches have over-rated line anyway, BUT REMEMBER, that when you run it thru the block, you GREATLY increase the pressure on the line as it passes thru the pulley on the block.. The line on the winch side, and on the block side dont have as much, but as it runs across the pulley in the block, it briefly gets ALOT of extra stress.
If you are in an EXTREME situation where you have it doubled and its STILL heavily straining the winch, STOP just long enough to throw a wet shirt/jacket/or lean a decent sized dead log against it.. If it breaks, the weight on the line will send it toward the ground before it gets to your face!! (or atleast to the front of the quad)
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08-23-1999, 12:43 AM
Just a little info on ****** blocks . I just purchased two from The local ACE Hardware store for a total cost of $12.00 . The blocks have a removable pin for rigging your winch cable over the pulley wheel . When I bought my winch I received as part of the package an accessory kit from Warn . It contained a ****** block , shackle and a tree strap all in a nylon case . I've since seen the same kit for sale in Cabelas for $79.99 which is ridiculous , you could probably put the same kit together for less than $25.00 . Good luck .
P.S. I paid a total of $215.00 for the Warn a2000 new in the box and the accessories .I wish I could have gotten a dozen at that price but it was a one time deal .
P.S. I paid a total of $215.00 for the Warn a2000 new in the box and the accessories .I wish I could have gotten a dozen at that price but it was a one time deal .
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#8
08-23-1999, 04:18 AM
Mudmachine, I agree with your safety suggestion: a damper on any stressed cable is a good idea, because wire rope stores lots of energy and can launch a pretty heavy projectile (e.g., hook, ****** block) with a lot of acceleration.
However, I beg to differ with you regarding cable stress with ****** blocks; the cable is not further stressed by their use. If, for example, the maximum line pull of a winch is 2000 pounds, at full pull the stress on the cable at any point is no greater than 2000 pounds, no matter how many ****** blocks are involved. The multiplication of lines involved in using ****** blocks increases the effective pull of the winch without adding stress to the cable.
Imagine a straight single line pull of 2000 pound on the cable hook attached to a pull point; cable stress = 2000 pounds; extraction force = 2000 pounds.
Now, run the line through the pulley of a ****** block and connect the end hook to the quad. Cable stress = 2000 pounds still, but since you now have TWO cables between the pull point and the quad; the extraction force becomes 4000 pounds.
Add another ****** block onto the quad bumper and run the line through its pulley and back to the pull point. Cable stress = 2000 pounds (all you're EVER gonna get with THIS winch!), extraction force is now 6000 pounds, 3 times the line pull, because there are three lines between the quad and the pull point, each stressed at 2000 pounds tension.
Each ****** block pulley shaft experiences a total stress equal to double the line pull, but the line stress never exceeds the winch rating. This mechanical fact, for example, enables wire rope draw works on oil drilling rigs with crown and traveling pulley blocks to pull miles of large-diameter drill stem, weighing many times the rating of a single cable run, vertically from the earth, with nominal-sized cable.
Tree farmer.
However, I beg to differ with you regarding cable stress with ****** blocks; the cable is not further stressed by their use. If, for example, the maximum line pull of a winch is 2000 pounds, at full pull the stress on the cable at any point is no greater than 2000 pounds, no matter how many ****** blocks are involved. The multiplication of lines involved in using ****** blocks increases the effective pull of the winch without adding stress to the cable.
Imagine a straight single line pull of 2000 pound on the cable hook attached to a pull point; cable stress = 2000 pounds; extraction force = 2000 pounds.
Now, run the line through the pulley of a ****** block and connect the end hook to the quad. Cable stress = 2000 pounds still, but since you now have TWO cables between the pull point and the quad; the extraction force becomes 4000 pounds.
Add another ****** block onto the quad bumper and run the line through its pulley and back to the pull point. Cable stress = 2000 pounds (all you're EVER gonna get with THIS winch!), extraction force is now 6000 pounds, 3 times the line pull, because there are three lines between the quad and the pull point, each stressed at 2000 pounds tension.
Each ****** block pulley shaft experiences a total stress equal to double the line pull, but the line stress never exceeds the winch rating. This mechanical fact, for example, enables wire rope draw works on oil drilling rigs with crown and traveling pulley blocks to pull miles of large-diameter drill stem, weighing many times the rating of a single cable run, vertically from the earth, with nominal-sized cable.
Tree farmer.
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08-23-1999, 02:22 PM
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Thats a good deal. I got my winch in a promo deal with the bike for $100, but I doubt Arctic Cat was worried having just sold a $6000 bike. I believe I have seen the Warn 2000 in Cabelas for like $399 or something. It was just with the Hawse fairlead and instructions. Then you had to buy a mount and a roller fairlead if you wanted it for a total of around $80 extra. You did good at $215.
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08-23-1999, 06:44 PM
