I am a police officer and I don't agree with the way the FBI acted in this instance. I never heard about this until this forum. Yes, this technique would probabally work if the original buyer still owned the barrel. If the barrel was sold to somebody else or a gun dealer who then sold it at a show or in his shop, then there is no way to find out. Our freedoms are the only thing that keep this country in tact, we should honor them as we honor our founding fathers intelligence for putting them down in writting. As far as I know the FBI is NOT allowed to get any list of names of anybody that has to do with firearms because that would be a form of registration that is strictly against the law. Unless there was some reason for them to suspect you they shouldn't be doing what they did.

 

Sounds like blackballed is "waiving his rights, along with the flag".

 

It's all in who you "choose to associate yourself with", folks...........[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

Isn't it funny how people will butcher the English language; refuse to even comment on the FBI's role here in Michigan on the two issues I mentioned above (as it doesn't necessarily 'fit' their accusatory rhetoric) and still demand that the rest of us look at their anti-FBI/government statements as something less than hateful extremism?

There are some of us here in this country who are sick and tired of these people who want every 'right' that the constituion affords with absolutely no concessions for the people who are charged with being on the front lines of upholding it, day in and day out; in the year of our lord, two thousand and three.

I'd like some of you people to start being directly involved with busting into some of these terrorists hideouts, both here and abroad; or when this bombing crap starts hitting the streets of this country.........could it be that the FBI and their "problems" might not become so "intrusive" when you're dragged behind a FBI SWAT team busting down the door of some booby-trapped, bomb-making lair?

But "sorry", I forgot........the people who make these bombs and use them on Americans (see O.C.) really have some extremely valid arguments in your 'own little worlds'......don't they?. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

The bottom line is that if some terrorist took out your little town in BF Egypt.......every one of you would be hollering for the FBI, CIA and every other darn intelligence agency to get their asses down there and take care of whoever was responsible for your daughter's arm being blown off.

After hearing from some of you?..............your houses would definitely be the last ones on some FBI agent's list.......and personally.......... I wouldn't have a problem with it one bit.

(By the way, this will be my last post as I can see that this never should have been brought into this section of the forum).

 

For someone that seems so critical of other people, their views, and their grammar -- maybe you should take a step back and look in the mirror. You sentence structure and spelling ('role' not 'roll') leave a lot to be desired, as well as your borderline fascist opinions.

There is a reason that your views are not shared here. Most people that enjoy ATVs are the same sort that enjoy the other personal liberties that are protected by our constitution. Perhaps you should go and takes a civics refresher and try to see what that piece of paper guarantees.

A lot of laws on the books are unconstitutional, if challenged. Just because a law can be passed doesn't mean it should. Just because something is in a law doesn't mean it is right.

You are wise to concede your position and halt with the posts. You probably would have been "blackballed" right off the forums...

 

I've been sitting here reading this, debating on whether or not to get involved by way of my personal views on a subject that has NO clear cut answer.

Fanaticism, in any form is generally not a good thing no matter which side you are on. But finding a happy medium or middle ground is next to impossible when you have two sides that are as passionate in their beliefs.

Government intrusion is always unwanted if you are the one being affected by it. But where do you draw the line? When do your rights outweigh the rights of others?

For me it is when your rights Endanger others. If you have some Crazy guy, living in a 2 room house with 15 cats and 10 dogs, wearing a tin foil hat to keep the governments "Top Secret" Mind-Meld Machine from picking his brain and watching him through his TV that isn't even plugged in, this is the guy that I personally don't want to have a room full of Assault Riffles. Mind you, he is still an American, guarantied his rights under the Constitution, but somewhere along the way, someone has to step in and determine if this situation is safe. Or do we wait until he walks into a Wal-Mart and Kills 20 people? What about the rights of his Victims?

On the other hand, you have John Q College Student who isn't bothering anyone but is doing his term paper on Nuclear Energy. One day he decides to access some information on the internet and the next thing he knows, he is awoken in the middle of the night by the FBI and a full Swat Team, drug out into public in his underwear and makes the cover of the National New Papers "BOMB MAKING TERRORIST DISCOVERED AT LOCAL COLLEGE".

We get to hear all about all of the high profile cases thanks to our News Agencies (Waco, Ruby Ridge), where the poor Completely Innocent Victim is Crushed be the Evil Officers of the Government. What we don't hear about is the thousands killed every year due to our inability to control who is getting access to Guns. Try telling the mother of a child who was shot down in the street by some stray Gang Bangers bullet, that they have the right to have and carry guns to protect themselves from their insane gang behavior. On the other hand, thank God for the ability to protect your family from an intruder that intends to do them harm. I wish I had the answers.

The trouble is, that there is no easy answer. One of the biggest problems with this Great country of ours is the whole concept of the "Rights of the FEW, outweigh the Good of the Masses". That was NEVER the intentions of our founding fathers. There HAS to be a balance and since there is NO consciences as to how to achieve this goal, there are going to be those who disagree on how things are being done.

The fact is that the men and women of our Local and Federal law enforcement agencies, have a difficult task. I don't envy them, nor do I always agree with the way things are done. But the fact is, that someone has to do it and I am thankful to those that do. They are the first ones to take the blame when something goes wrong and the last ones to be commended when their actions save lives.

You can't have a civilized society without some form of Law.

 

Alaska YFM;

Thank you for correcting my spelling as it is often more difficult to catch those things when you are extending opinions and backing them up......as compared to when you simply feel the need to attack someone. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

I think your inability to speak to our incident/issues up here in Michigan and/or the poor American souls who now rest in O.C..............has pretty much made my point much better than I could ever have hoped. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]

(And "golly gee".....don't threaten me with getting kicked off the forums!.....you'd have to get rid of folks like RPM also!)

May God Bless You and Yours [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

A lot of laws on the books are unconstitutional, if challenged. Just because a law can be passed doesn't mean it should. Just because something is in a law doesn't mean it is right.

It's still against the law to hang underwear out on a clothes line where I live. How about getting rid of the rediculous laws before adding anymore?

 

Who is attacking who?!? Your insults are thinly vieled in the guise of discussion. I, on the other hand, just say exactly what I think. There is no double talk in my replies to you.

What "backing up" are you talking about? You follow your opinions with hypothetical situations with your slant on it, or unfortunate happenings that may or may not have occured. Nothing you have said is documented "truths".

Don't hide behind a "God Bless You and Yours". You don't mean it, you just end your posts that way as a last attempt to slap whoever you are replying to.

Besides, you said that you were finished posting in here. So you are a liar, too, I see. Tsk, tsk, tsk...


I do agree with RPM to an extent. While "You can't have a civilized society without some form of Law.", you most definitely can not have a FREE society without some restrain on the government and it's powers.

People need to realize that terrorism can never be totally eliminated, not in this country, not under this constition, not without breaking our own laws. PERIOD. Unless we can convince the Muslim radicals that the USA is not the source of all evil we will continue to be a target for years to come.

Deal with it.

 

agree to disagree and end the foolish, endless debating [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

(((=It's still against the law to hang underwear out on a clothes line where I live. How about getting rid of the rediculous laws before adding anymore?=))) aahahahahahahahahahaha