no problem, that yoshi race pipe dynoed at 46 hp on stock bike, so if the sparks gets 49 hp, it sounds like that is the pipe to have

link to dyno

 

how much is the Sparks X6 Exhaust and where do you buy it? thanks

 

Just buy it direct for Sparks racing.Other than being loud no one has anything bad to say about them.

 

I liked the megaphone design of the CT for power delivery. Did Vicious ever come out with the Pulse charger system for the Raptor? I've seen some stuff on the TRX450 exhaust but nothing for the raptor. I thought it was supposed to be at FSW and from what I hear it wasnt.

And what happened to sparks? They used to sell the raptor exhaust for just over 400, now its about 65 bucks more for nothing new. Stainless still costs you an extra 35 or so, and you have to buy a spark arrestor for another 30. Hell, by the time I pay for all of that I will have paid out enough for Barker's.

 

ok maddog i've waited over a week to put my two cents on this post, cuz it frustrates me. Why would you even make a post about pipe comparisons? Their are maybe 15 people on here that know a raptor inside and out, you being one of them, along with myself, stallion and a few others. In all honesty, its like having RAPFAM do a post "Which is faster my LCC 730 or a 400ex????" (stallion will get a kick out of that) LOL!!! You allready know the outcome you stated that in your opening post. You know every pipe what numbers i pulkls, and when it pulls on the powerband. Only difference i see is that you flat track race, and most guys on the forum ride sand.(well astleast the people i talk to)
But im going to give my opinion on the subject that has been literally beaten to DEATH....
Ok you dont want a top end pipe, i hoping that you mean top end as in 6k-9k range?
You had the CT on before?? Why did you get rid of it i would like to know.
I personally thought about switching to a sparks pipe, but my CT pipe as proved itself time and time again. So im not going to touch it.
Most of the previous 10,000 posts about pipes people have been people looking for a top end pipe, you looking solely on a mid range pipe.
I be totally honest with you , mid range is not what im famiiar with so dont take my comment to direct.
You know the CT, Sparks, Barkers, LTE, and MRBP are top end pipe, so throw them out the window,( you know that)
Some one mentioned a yoshi..ummm. thats a top end pipe also.
Only pipe i think of that sticks in my mind, over and over again is a ALBA, damn good midrange pipe.. i know a guy selling his for $350.
Hands down though the Curtis Sparks pipe is THE best all around pipe PERIOD.
Also what are you blabbing on about diffrent tips about, your CT was quiet, you had this discs on. Ever put and open tip on a CT pipe, OMG its disgustingly loud. And it make less power. Most pipe that have a option for a discs vs. open tip, the discs are going to be quiter and more power, but their are a few excepetions.
Anyways i've said what was on mind, sorry i wrote much, im really bored at work though. Lets see what kinda fire i lit.........

 

I got rid of the CT for a couple reasons. The first and foremost is the carbs. From what I've heard (not seen) the CT pipe wont clear 39mm or even 35mm FCR carbs. You need a special midpipe that is rebent. This different bend is more restrictive and loses hp over the stock midpipe. If I'm going to spend this kind of money for these carbs, I dont want to counteract it by losing hp through my exhaust. Second, I had a pinhole in the header that was never fixed from the factory and the pipe's finish had become very dull and dirty and really needed to be recoated. The next reason is that a friend of mine wanted to buy it and I knew the information above. The last straw was my little chat with Allen at CT. He asked what build I was doing with the carbs and proceded to then tell me how stupid I was and that it would never work. He quoted me 60 dollars for the headpipe shipped, I ended up paying 75 plus shipping. He was completely different than the Allen I had spoken to 2 years ago when I first bought my pipe and I didnt like it at all. So this pretty much keeps me from buying another CT for the raptor, even if the original ct midpipe were to work. Which I think is Allen's loss, since I was one of the few on these forums that really pushed for CT and Allen. Companies take note, dont **** off your customers or you wont keep them for long.

The Sparks pipe has a very small and IMO insignificant advantage up top, from what I've seen the CT even pulls a little longer. But the midrange appears to be a different story, Sparks makes more than the CT all the way through. LTE was never really a consideration. As I've said I was never really keen on nor did I have much info about the MBRP setup. I knew sparks, but IMO Barkers were the main competition. Some people tell me it makes 5 hp more through midrange over sparks and CT. Others, like here, tell me that its more of a top end pipe and sparks has the midrange advantage. As far as ALBA goes, they are louder than any other raptor pipe I've ever heard, and that was with the disc style endcap. And since I walked all over a couple Alba raptors with just my CT piped rap, I'm in no hurry to buy an inferior pipe. The dyno isnt all that friendly with them either. My bike is in pieces but will need a pipe before too long. I was having some problems making up my mind and I figured that for a purchase that will make such a big impact on my bike I could use the help of the very knowledgeable guys here.

As for spark arrestors, I had never seen anyone using the disc style on the sparks. Now that I've looked around I've seen it on TheMoose's machine and Herbdon's (I think it was herbdon anyway). Its uglier than sin, same setup as the original CT sonic. I'd love to use the CT endcap, but I'm thinking that wont be possible so I'm coming to grips with having an ugly pipe. The open end will be too loud and I'll just run that during racing season.

I figured that the need for something OTHER than a drag bike and the added restriction that it must work with the 39mm carbs was enough to make a thread. And I've been around here long enough that if I still have questions after watching every other pipe thread go through this forum, then I am entitled to ask a few questions myself. I was (and still am) confused about my purchase. Still trying to get a straight answer on barker's pipes, If I'm going to spend 550 to get the sparks instead of the 450 they used to sell at then I'm not going to even think twice about dropping the extra 150 if barkers has more of what I want. Now I just need to see a dyno readout comparing them or two readouts from the same dyno on these pipes... Yeah I know I was all settled on sparks, but the more I research the murkier the water gets.

 

OMG i think you mentioned the word "CT" like thirty times in the paragraph. I like myself is one of the few people the push CT, and everyone says Allens service is crap, i myself have never had a problem with him. So to me he is an excellent guy, but nobody agrees with me. I also willing ot be that you like my self have the old pipe, and mine is also very dull, and old looking. Im thinking about jet-hot coating my pipe. But CT has fixed the dulling with the new stainless steel exhaust. And he wants to much to stainless steel the old dull pipe. I cant tell you how many alba raptors ive raced and beat, when i was just running my pipe. For me their were no competition, i was just noting that i though they made good power? Also ive never lost to a sparks pipe, with just my CT. I agree you having a right to make a post and im not complaining about that. Do what you want, but still think you have the knowledge to where you shouldnt be asking the people below you for help? Its obvious your leaning towards the barkers, which are excellent pipes. The old style from about 6 months ago, were poorly made, and had crappy welds, but performed excellent. The new style are made of a new material, and 'ol barker learned how to weld finally. Still they are a top end pipe and make big power up their(especially with the right cam) you race flattrack, and the barkers are a in-frame drag pipe, i dont care what anyone says. I couldnt even imagine trying to manipulate my raptor around the corners with the barkers on. ive ridden stallions bike with barkers on, and they are excellent pipe, excellent sound also. But no joke you'll melt you damn leg off just racing up the hill a few times. They are nearly impossible to dune in the barkers, so i imagine its very hard to flattrack in them. But maybe you'll learn to avoid the hot pipe. As stallion stated above he loves his barkers, but their NOT for duning, only racing, and whihc is why he keep shis sparks on hand so he can swap pipe to go duning.

 

I'm not sure how old my CT design is. It's not the old old CT sonic with the chrome endcap, but the newer one with the billet black endcap. Like I said, I too was a big CT pusher. The pipes are excellent, I just dont have any desire to give Allen any more of my hard earned money if he's going to treat me the way he did. When I got the pipe I got great service and lots of help and info from him, but that was almost 2 years ago. If I could have stuck with my CT I would have, but the carbs just got in the way.

If barkers pipes work better with my setup and give me the power I need where I need it I'll use them, but until someone can show me for sure that they will then Sparks is where I'll end up. I have never had either of these pipes on my bike, so I'm asking for help from people here who have. Many people have had both and gave me great insight over the midrange differences. No I'm not going to worry about advice from some new member who doesnt even own a raptor. I've got a good idea who knows what they are talking about here and who doesnt.

 

see i disagree with that, most of the people dont have the high performance pipes on their raptors let alone the sparks or barkers, I have the OLD OLD CT pipe with the chrome end cap, but i switched to the billet one about a year ago. check you pm