Gabe,
2 reasons your 250R would cost a bunch. 1> Honda overprices their quads. 2> you had stuff about high tech frames etc. Someone is going to have to pay for these benefits.
Also, 99% of the time a CVT tranny will beat a manual tranny if all things are equal. I thought you knew that. You & some others that aren't famliar with CVT's should read up on them. During accleration how long are you at your engines most effecient rpm? Not long...
On the other hand CVT's may not be the hot setup for MX racing. (which just happens to kind of bore me)
No a Polaris isn't meant for MX racing. Everyone knows that. If I wanted to go around and around the same place I'd bought a 250R or just make loops around my yard on my lawn mower. In fact a 250R would be a great for me 75% of the time since I ride trails & really don't mud or climb to many creek banks. It doesn't upset me a Raptor is faster on an MX track then my 4WD, if I want to race MX anytime soon I'll buy a 250R anyways.
I just don't understand why some people have this misconception about a CVT tranny being a bad thing. While it seems complicated, once you understand how it works it's really quite simple & you see how it is the most effecient type of tranny.

 

I was paying attention that is why i replied. I know what you are talking about is already available also, that is why i said "it can be done". What you are saying is you want to stick a polaris engine in a new chassis that you could order. Atc and I are saying that we want to put a cr500 engine in an already made chassis by yamaha (the raptor chassis). And i gaurantee that the polaris highbred would loose to the honda/yamaha highbred.

 

Well, I don't think you're paying close-enough attention. I didn't say I wanted to order a new chassis, I said what I want is already being done in quantity and therefore Polaris could easily do it. Please point out to me where CR500 engines are being put into Raptor frames. I'm sure Honda and Yamaha would be thrilled to know they don't have to do any R&D to mass-produce this new quad, since its already being done for them.

By the way, feel free to put your imaginary CR500 machine up against the 130HP 700cc twin 2-stroke Polaris that Hotseat is selling (and a person could actually buy) and tell me how it does.

 

First off, not once did I mention MX racing (that you polaris owners love to discount so much). I mentioned XC racing, something I both enjoy and participate in... It might come as a surprise, but Polaris's of any kind do not do well in these events.

2nd I am familiar with the CVT tranny, you sound like a Polaris Ad. Their theories sure do sound pretty, but in the real world of high performance (dirtbike and atv) offroading, the manual rules, peroid. There are many reasons behind this, most beyond the scope of this message (I'll give you a clue though - most of the reasons have to do with torque multiplication in various situations). Keep in mind we had a 400L on premisis at one time - hell, I'll probably eventually get one for the wife. Not my kinda ride though.

3rd. How do you figure Honda overprices their machines? They are well thought out - a dominating force in most forms of racing from the local level to the pro level & priced competitively with other machines in their class. They might not be the fastest in a straight line, but very seldom do most ATV owners travel in a straight line. Want to talk about overpriced? - look at a 4x4 SC500.

I mentioned "high tech stuff" once (since we were apparently fantasizing at the time), but the fact remains (here we go again) if they threw a current CR250R engine into a current 400EX or an 11 year old TRX250R chassis, you would have a VERY competitive machine in nearly any form of racing you so desired at a very reasonable cost.

It's apparent that this conversation is going nowhere. You bought a Polaris for your reasons. I most definitely stayed away from them for mine. So lets just leave it at this as we're going nowhere.

 

I sure hope that you're reffering to the sport quads that polaris makes and not the utility line, because in the utility market, the sportsman is tops.

 

Attend some race events. You will see YZF426 powered machines and more than likely a TRX500R or two. You will more than likely not see aftermarket chassis'd Polaris's.

I have raced against these machines (YZF and CR).

I would gladly race a stock 400EX against the machine you reference in an XC race.

BTW where are all these "quantities" of lightweight Polaris machines???? I cover a 3 state area and haven't see one yet at a race event or at the sand dunes.

I also take pride in making my machine what I want it, and working on it myself. If you want to be the fastest out there, "buying" a "off the shelf" drag machine is certainly not the best option and doesn't make much sense when for the same money you could custom build a much faster machine yourself and take pride in doing so - if drag racing were your goal.

 

Mudkid425, theres no question about polaris being king of utility quads, everybody knows that (or at least the ones with half a half a brain).LOL.

LONG LIVE POLARIS

2000 SCRAMBLER 400 2X4

SCRAMDADDY400

 

Hard to leave it at that with so much misinformation flying around. You base all of your replies on racing which is something 99.9% of us could care less about. Polaris doesn't win MX races because they don't make any kind of race quad. If enough people cared about racing, they'd probably still be making 250R's, but they don't.

Scrambler 500 overpriced? Compare it to a similarly priced 400ex. The Scrambler is only a littler slower, has selectable "true" 4WD, reverse and liquid cooling. Yeah, I'm feeling real ripped-off buying a Scrambler.

 

Well, I guess since you cover all 3 states, the Polaris quad I'm talking about must not exist. Here's a link to one anyway: http://www.fatalberts.com/Race%20chassis%20quad2.htm

Believe it or not, there's at least two:
http://msnhomepages.talkcity.com/Rig...s/Holeshot.jpg

 

Thats the hottest scrambler out there, I heard it can destroy every high performance machine out there including the raptor.
Great post KevinM, I forgot all about that quad.

LONG LIVE POLARIS

2000 SCRAMBLER 400 2X4

SCRAMDADDY400