What the hell was that 4strokewars video suppose to prove, who can get the latest start? Where is the flaggers and a starting line? And what the he!! is up with the morons running in front of the people racing at the top of the hill? That would seriously pi$$ me off if some idiot ran right in front of me. I'm sorry but you guys got to get it a little more organized. First off get a straight line to start at, a flagger to start the race, a flagger at the top of the race and someone to keep people from getting in the way. Atleast get a flagger to start the race, until then the races don't mean jack ****.

 

Get a grip, If you dont think you can run a race without a flagger, well then you must not have that great of reaction time. Nor have you been to Oldsmobile hill In Glamis either. You gonna volunteer to stand out there and flag people? Be my guest, just dont forget your insurance card. One more thing, you are not suppossed to have any sort of "Organized Racing" in Glamis.

RoostKing...

 

Hey roostking, me and my friends swapped bikes i rode the banshee with pipes and he rode my R and no madder who rode the R, the R ALWAYS won no matter what. IF it would have been the rider you would have noticed the difference. No you can't match the banshee in pure dune ridding. I like to ride my friends banshee's because your gears are so close that you can pull a higher gear than the R. But i don't like them because they jump worth crap handle woth junk. They do have good power. .MY cousin has a 98 banshee with everything you can do to the motor on a banshee except going BIG BORE. He runs in the 50mph range up the face ( sand mountain utah.) That thing is very fast no dought. I have only seen 1 R beat that banshee up the mountain and it was a pro-x 350 kit with every thing done to that motor except running exotic fuel. They were about even most of the time and the R got the banshee 1 time in about 10 races. So don't say that R's are slow you can make they go realy fast. I think that you can NOT mach a banshee's performance when your going all out on your motor.

 

<< Get a grip, If you dont think you can run a race without a flagger, well then you must not have that great of reaction time. Nor have you been to Oldsmobile hill In Glamis either. You gonna volunteer to stand out there and flag people? Be my guest, just dont forget your insurance card. One more thing, you are not suppossed to have any sort of &quot;Organized Racing&quot; in Glamis. >>



Then why even race? And yes the reaction time makes a big difference. No, I haven't been to Glamis, I would like to go but not if I'm gonna get hit by some drunken idiot.

All I'm sayin is just have somebody start ya guys somehow not just take off, it doesn't make a good race.

 

Roostking,
What does torque have to do with drag racing? What do you think the force that turns the crankshaft is called? Oh wait, torque. The exploding gases expand which place a downward force on the piston and the connecting rod which is attached at a set distance from the center of the crank to turn it. Horsepower is a bullsh*t number that people with small engines (oddly enough, it's us Americans who propogated its widespread use, even more bizarre considering that our engines are, on average, larger than the rest of the world's) depend on. It is merely a multiplier of torque in conjunction with RPM. Torque is what turns wheels which is the fundamental basic principle of drag racing. Larger bore singles generally have more torque than twins, it's a fact. The banshee is a decent bike, but to make it scream you need to pump a sh*t load of money into it if you want it reliable. On a 250r you can double the horsepower with the stock crank and not have too many issues, maybe the tins will be a problem down the road. On a banshee if you merely raise the compression, the crank starts to split, according the experts at LRD and everywhere else I've read.
How about this. Why don't you go to Olds this weekend and go to the north (right) side of the hill where the real drag bikes run and stay away from the kids and the girls on the other side. Oh yeah, I did see a fast banshee there once, it had an R1 engine in it, but it got beat by a fat guy on a quadzilla with a GSXR-1100 engine who also beat the several turbo banshees in attendance. Just trying to shake the myth.

 

ok all here's my 3 cent's i read the pissing match going on and im not even gettin into that. iv ownned a stock banshee that was about a year old id have to say one thing is for sure there's nothing like the snap of the banshee's power band, frist time i rode it i nearly got sucked off the back because i wasn't lookin for that hit banshee, just flat out make you feel good but i sold it and got an 86 4trx250r, im stuck on it for life it's so much more playful than a banshee it's not even funny to be fair iv never rode a stock r my 86 had just standard bolt on's and a few engine mod's and put both at around the same peak hp,i don't know its just that you have to try to make an r feel tippy. and it has power almost right off the bottom it smoked banshees and pretty much stayed with lightly modded lt500's, even befor i did any of my race mod's, but all you guy's are talkin about dune's, i think the banshee would be a good choice it's bigger and does have a nicer fit and feel if your going to use the seat alot which i don't in the woods/course not that its bad the banshee just has a more laid back feel for those large open spaces

 

Somebody mentioned above about the 250r being more reliable than the banshee when moding them out. I would have to disagree. The true weld on the crank is about the only thing you have to do besides replacing the clutch basket as on almost all quads in order for it to handle the higher hp numbers. The banshee is made alot tougher to handle the numbers than the 250r is. The original engineers made the gears and crank only strong enough to distribute the stress associated with the engine size. This is how most manufactures build engines. The banshee and LT500 were made to handle there 350cc and 500cc engines and the torque and hp numbers associated with them. You don't see alot of banshees, even 400cc running on alcohol blowing cranks all the time or anything else in the bottom end. The 250r's you can really only buy upgrade kits up to a 350cc bore and even then you have to go into the casings. You can go with the larger bores in the 400 range for the 250r, but those things shear components and break gears all the time. Thats why you have mainly seen banshees all the years running and ruling the dunes. The 250r's arewslightly lighter and have a just a little better stearing geometry for woods than do the banshees, plus there easier to ride. I got bored with mine and figured it was time to get serious about the dunes again. I have a lot of friends that still run vary quick 250'rs and thats fine, as long as they know where their limits are. They may beat me in the woods and on some small trails, but they better pray that the trails don't open up wide enough or that we dont decide to run in the dunes. Oh and who said the banshees jump terrible? You might want to tell the Kangaro kid from Austraila and the rest of the famous dune riders out there that prefer the banshee that their all riding the wrong machines if thats the case.

 

The funniest thing just happend yesterday...The only call I got back from people I have called (with banshees and 250R's) came from someone who lives within 2 minutes walking distance, LOL. Hes selling a friends banshee for him, its a '98 with 2000 plastic and a milled head, lightened flywheel, advanced timing(he thinks its 3 degrees), and toomies(not chrome [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] ). I think im going to get it for $3900! Good deal right?

Oh ya, thanks for everyones opinions on this post.

 

Sorry im way off the subject on that...I didnt realize there was a second page already. But back on the subect, the banshee can jump well as soon as you get used to it. And cctman, if you were talking about the jump I think you were (the canyon in huevos 1?), your right, matt coulter jumped huge on that banshee and pulled it off. Wes miller said it was the craziest thing hes ever seen. And the funny thing is that it was a borrowed banshee, and he broke a shock, flatspotted all the rims, and broke the seat off. But ya, they choose banshees sometimes to do some crazy jumps.

 

YOu 250 R owners are living in a dream land. I dont have any idea where you guys are drag racing, or what dunes you riding, but here in Arizona/California, 250 R's get smoked all day long. Simple as that. Like CCTman said, the 250 R excels at the track and woods, but give the banshee room to stretch and that 250 r is eating dust. Like I said. I may be wrong, so starting Thursday, I am going to be in Glamis, and Im going to count my races vs. 250R's and I will let you guys know. Im not afraid to lose, so If I do Ill post it, but I dont think that will happen, usually doesnt.
So Minty, did you check out the videos? You know the ones were the stock piped banshee is tearing up both a stock bore DS, like yours, and a big Bore, not like yours? But I suppose yours is faster than those, eh? And too whoever said that a 250 R will smoke banshee's and hang with 500 CC QUADZILLAS, well ok...

Hey Minty, you might want to watch the personal attacks, namecalling and what not. I see your in Banning, maybe we should meet up and have a friendly race? Are any other 250 R owner for that matter. And I still say the Banshee has plenty of torque to climp any hill..

Anyhow, Thanks for the lively discussion

RoostKing....