Yes I did read your entire post. I was just trying to figure out why it's ok for a motorcycle to have 800cc's or greater and not a utility quad. I would rather have too much motor than not enough b/c if you are underpowered doing utility chores, it loads down the motor and wears it out. I have a 750 kawie brute force and also a new polaris sportsman800 X2 DLX. I need the power for TOWING. I hardly every go over 40 mph, but I do need the power to pull a plow, pull a 16ft trailer with hay and move heavy deer stands around....etc. My brothers kawie prairie 360 is great for its size however, it struggles pulling the deer stands and won't pull the 16ft trailer with hay. And, my cousins forman 450 doesn't have enough power to pull the 16ft trailer with the hay. So as I has shown you, I do need as much power as possible, not for racing, but for UTILITY work. Remember, a few of us do use our utility quads for utility work and not just blazing down a trail.

 

Did you read my very first sentence of my very first post? In case you didn't here it is - "Who would want or even need a 950 or for that matter an 800 in a utility vehicle unless you have a special need on a farm or work place".

Now what does 'special need on a farm or work place' mean to you?

 

ok guys Ive read enough, my turn lol,I feel if you are going to work any vehicle most of the time, atv,utility,truck, you should have a manual, you have the power with even a 300, because you control where the power is going to go, 1st gear up to 5th gear, high or low, thats my theory, clutch bands are not made to work continuesly under pressure, But then theres alot of people who do not like to shift, and there is where the power needs to be proven,Then you hear everyone talking about tearing up there cv's, broken or cracked frames, when are they going to fix those problems before they even think about more power,by time they get done, that machine is going to weigh as much as the diesel if not more, so theres many ways you can look at this

 

When your whole argument is based around the fact that more power than what can get the job done is a waste, the question about motorcycles is absolutely valid. It is the same principle, if a 500cc motorcycle can provide you with everything a motorcycle needs to do, why are there 2000cc motorcycles? Every legitimate point that has come up you have dismissed as invalid or irrelevant.

There isn't going to be a 900 or 1000 cc quad because they can't be licensed as ATV's in too many states. It really is that easy. AC and Polaris's home state says you must be under 800cc and up to 900lb's to be an ATV. There won't be anything over 800cc until Minnesota and other states change their ATV licensing requirements.


I beg to differ. Increased torque and horsepower does indeed increase the towing ability. What it doesn't do is increase the rated towing capacity, which is somewhat irrelevant because most people aren't weighing things before they tow it. I guarantee that my 650 will out pull a 400, and I guarantee that the Bomb 800 will out pull my 650. I've gone head to head with a Bomb in an officiated ATV pull. The Bomb did awesome in the pull.

Is it possible the bigger quads are harder to get out because they get themselves into much thicker mud because they have the power to get there? I get stuck here and there and get pulled out the same as anyone else. Put the winch on, pull right out. I've done it enough times to know there is no real difference between my 650 and anyone else's machine.

It's this simple: Your riding style doesn't justify an 800. That doesn't mean other peoples' style is the same as yours. I don't see any benefit to having a TRV, because I never ride two up. That doesn't mean other people won't think they are great. I would never buy a quad with a manual transmission, I could care less if they continue to make them. Again, it doesn't mean that other people aren't suited well to a manual. I pull things that are well over the recommended weight and I like a lot of power on the trail as well, therefore I own a big bore quad. At this point I am very satisfied with the power I have, but I wouldn't rule out buying a larger displacement motor in the future.

 

A Utility vehicle regardless of engine size needs the weight and strength to be partnered with the engine. Taking a 700lb machine and poping in a 950+ engine for the sakes of being "king of the jungle", popping super wheelies and going 75-80mph is to me a waste. A 700lb machine is not heavy enough nor does it have the structrual strenght to utilize the power of a 'big-bore' to the point of being effective or efficient and getting the potential work from the engine. It would sit there because of lack of weight and strength and burn the tires right off or break.

 

Thank you!!! At least someone figured that one out. I wasn't trying to jump on his case, but just making a point which he either avoided to answer or did understand.

 

From the 650 Cat to the 800 Bomb you are only talking about 15-20 horsepower. Yeh, that's a fair chunk of power, but I don't think it is enough to shred the frame or tires. Sure you hear about axles breaking, but usually not under normal conditions. Every axle I have seen broken is in some REALLLY thick mud that puts tremendous strain on the axle.

Again, due to licensing restrictions you aren't going to see anything over 800 for quite a while. This does NOT include the side by sides, which are licensed as OHV's, not ATV's. The 800 Bombs are monsters, they are pushing 62 horse bone stock and they are not sitting there breaking axles and burning tires. People build 90hp banshees, they don't disintegrate the drivetrain when you get on it either. It is also common to throw a 1300cc Hayabusa motor into a Bomb DS650 chassis. Motorcyles are build to handle 100+ horsepower, ATV's can handle it too. I believe ATV's are already built to handle much more horsepower than they currently have.

Yes, I pop wheelies.
Yes, I drive 65mph.
This does not summarize all my use. Please stop making references that driving fast and popping wheelies is all I do.

 

If I had the money, I know I would have a 700 efi cat in my yard but I dont

 

First of all, how much does that 2000cc motorcyle weight by relationship to a 500cc, how much stronger is the frame work. Secondly, is it a UTILITY vehicle, or a highway designed vehicle. Come on, that is like comparing a Corvette to a Massey Furgerson. They are totally different vehicles designed to do entirely different things. We are talking UTILITY 4x4 QUADS - not even SPORT 2x4 QUADS. Now, why don't you compare oranges with oranges instead of apples and oranges. Now get with the program and stop going off on these far fetched senerios.

And in direct answer to your 2000cc motorcycle, well they probably build it because it is very heavy, strong and smooth on the road and the engine can move the weight, but you probably don't see too many of them boasting 0-100 in 10 seconds or less or popping wheelies at will and holding them for several hundred yards. And by design and structure if you were to push it 100 or 130 mph it would probably be ok. But to take a relatively light UTILITY 4x4 and push it 75-85mph, by design it was not built for that purpose, you would just be asking for trouble.

And if you do not want anymore to be dismissed as invalid or irrelevant then get with the program and compare apples with apples and talk UTILITY 4x4 QUADS. Does a Massey Furgerson by design compare to a Corvette, why would you want to put a big motor in a Massey Furgerson and then try to race with a Corvette...

 

And do you suppose that a 950+ engine in a 700lb quad is not just sitting there asking to be used abnormally. Do you think people are going to just '*****-foot' around with those things?