You know the funny thing about that is that they do have races for utility class atvs, so yes they are catering to the people that want to race something like that, they have mud bog races and they are catering to those people as well.

Me personnally I have no desire to race a 700-800lb quad that I can not upright by my self and it takes 4 other people to help me do it.

BTW no atv is safe, waking up in the morning is not safe getting out of bed is not safe. There is no safe guarentee in life. I wake up and take a chance walking down the steps to my garage to get in a car and drive down the road.

I dont tempt fate by trying to be king of the hill, and I dont need to win the big stick swinging contest.

I dont need to run 70 mph because unless I am riding the road I will never be able to reach it on any trails I ride. Some people ride trails that they can and do reach that speed, I am rarely above 40mph. So for me I dont think 70 mph is reasonable on a quad for some people it is but not me.

I dont think any quad is "safe" unless you are safe. I have tipped mine twice already.

 

I agree with what you say and the factories are responding to the consumer and yes they need to stay in buisness and yes they need to have a wide range of available product. But it still is not going to stop me from voicing my opinion. I am glad that you pointed out that maybe with the excietment of bigger engines that it would also generate more sales in the lower displacement sector. Advertizing and marketing can be misleading and hopefully the first time buyer or newbie is not under the impression that bigger is better or that they need the biggest engine for their needs and that for a majority of owners their need and demands can be met in the 400-650 range. Sometimes it is necessary to play the 'devils-advocate' so people can see all sides and hear all opinions. Then they can make the best decision for themselves based on a variety of view points.
Thank you, I appreciate your comments and input. Very constructive for this topic. It is good to have a wide variety of ideas and comment. It is a good thing to see different points of view too. Disagreement is not a bad thing. It is ok to disagree. This is how we form our opinions and base our decisions.

 

Well one way to look at it - once the factories reach the saturation point with 'big-bore' then they will start to modify the product to be better and not bigger. We may start to see some inovative mods in the handling, durability, capability etc.

 

At times it may sound like I am not satisified with what AC has provided, that is not true. I am happy with what I have. I wasn't too crazy about the tippiness feeling at times (no serious issues just a feeling), but I have resolved that to my satisfaction with the simple addition of wheel spacers and 6ply tires. I get more wheel travel from swinging a larger arc. I get flatter connering. I get a lower center of gravity and better off-camber support. And the wider stance has not been a 'squeeze' issue yet, but has given me a plus by being able to straddle wider, and to get out of previously made ruts to ride on higher ground. A little softer ride for smaller bumps because of the added leverage to the suspension system. And I have not lost any ground clearance.
And that is not too bad to bring a stock machine to a level of personal satisfaction.

 

I see, you can say anything you want in here as long as you remind everyone that it is "your opinion" every third post but since I'm not the moderator I should stay quiet. When you go past "I think" into "you should" that goes beyond what your opinion is. Insulting other people for their choices in an ATV makes you an *** and I will call you on it every day of the week.

Absolutely correct.

Again, you disagree therefore other people must be "misinformed and disillusioned". You go beyond disagreeing with them and attack their mental state. Why? Why can't you just say that they don't want the same thing as you? It doesn't matter than you disagree with their reasons, that does not make the other person wrong. Your way is no the best for everyone. The ego problem comes from someone who thinks that their way is best for everyone, not from a person who goes out and buys a big bore atv.

Let's stick to some fact here, I never EVER said that a 900cc engine is the "way to go". Do NOT stick words in my mouth because you can't bring new information to the table. You said you would debate, but you have not. You have not truly countered or even addressed in general any point of mine specifically.

I like power, I like acceleration, my 650 has both. Here's something else I never said: "the theoretical 900CC is the best machine". Stop putting words in my mouth. I never have, and never will say that there is ANY single best machine. I will not be running out and buying an 800 when or if it comes out. In a few years I may be ready for a new wheeler, I may not. When I get to the point where I am looking to buy, I will definitely be looking at a 650+. I certainly wouldn't go any smaller, and I might go bigger depending on features, price, and how it rides. A 400-500cc machines satisfies you, but it does not satisfy me. That doesn't make me poorly informed, delusional, schizophrenic, or bipolar. It means I like having power to spare, I choose how much to apply, and I would rather have a little more than I need available than not enough.

Don't assume my customizing was because I was disastified with the initial offering. I like to customize everything I have. I have added custom parts to all my paintball guns. I even customized my XBox 360. I like to customize, and most people that put numerous aftermarket parts on are the same way. v2 has added all kinds of goodies to his machine, I would bet that his ATV is not the only thing he has customized.

I challenge you to actually counter any information in this post as well as others.

"You suck, you are not a moderator, shutup" are not valid counterpoints.

I can't even express just how curious this one makes me.

 

Chumley, yea, yea, yea, good for you. Don't you have a job to go to or something? Stop bugging me.

 

You said you wanted a debate. Change your mind?

 

I just don't want to talk with you. You have nothing to say that interest me. Now go away and stop bugging me. I am just going to ignore you so don't waste your time.

 

Just try to remember that there ARE people in this world that will stand up when people start running their mouth. I certainly won't be the last you encounter. A forum is a place for group discussion, perhaps what you seek is a blog, a place where you can express your opinion all you want and no one will tell you any different.

 

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