King of the Jungle
May 3, 2007 | 01:26 AM
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Im all for debate, but hate reading you 2 say the same things over and over again. Back to the point, as was mentioned before, a big quad will generate buzz for the rest of the line up, like what the bombardier 800 did for their 400
May 3, 2007 | 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by: buckaroo50
Who would want or even need a 950 or for that matter an 800 in a utility vehicle unless you have a special need on a farm or work place. I think the power race is getting a little out of control. The only reason it exist in the first place is because of sales. I would much rather see AC put there efforts into other areas besides big engines. If they spent time on improving what they already have that would make more sence to me.
Originally posted by: sevenmag
I went to the arctic cat ride at LEOR April 21st. The arctic cat rep said that the can-am 800 was the baddest atv out there right now but said when the 08's come out "Arctic Cat will be king of the jungle again". I asked him if it was a 950 and he wouldn't say.Its only about 6 to 8 weeks before the 08's come out. Hope he wasn't blowing smoke.
I went to the arctic cat ride at LEOR April 21st. The arctic cat rep said that the can-am 800 was the baddest atv out there right now but said when the 08's come out "Arctic Cat will be king of the jungle again". I asked him if it was a 950 and he wouldn't say.Its only about 6 to 8 weeks before the 08's come out. Hope he wasn't blowing smoke.
May 3, 2007 | 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by: 700vtwinman
Then tell me why would anyone need a motorcycle over 800cc's? They make 1500 and 1800cc motorcycles, yet you can only ride up to the speed limit "legally" and the 500cc - 700cc motorcycles can do that with no problem. So whats the purpose of having a motorcycle bigger than 800cc?
Originally posted by: buckaroo50
Who would want or even need a 950 or for that matter an 800 in a utility vehicle unless you have a special need on a farm or work place. I think the power race is getting a little out of control. The only reason it exist in the first place is because of sales. I would much rather see AC put there efforts into other areas besides big engines. If they spent time on improving what they already have that would make more sence to me.
Originally posted by: sevenmag
I went to the arctic cat ride at LEOR April 21st. The arctic cat rep said that the can-am 800 was the baddest atv out there right now but said when the 08's come out "Arctic Cat will be king of the jungle again". I asked him if it was a 950 and he wouldn't say.Its only about 6 to 8 weeks before the 08's come out. Hope he wasn't blowing smoke.
I went to the arctic cat ride at LEOR April 21st. The arctic cat rep said that the can-am 800 was the baddest atv out there right now but said when the 08's come out "Arctic Cat will be king of the jungle again". I asked him if it was a 950 and he wouldn't say.Its only about 6 to 8 weeks before the 08's come out. Hope he wasn't blowing smoke.
Did you also read my comments about SPORT quad's as well as UTILITY quad's.
Don't quote one sentence out of a whole comment and try to make a point, without reading the entire statement and having an understanding of what was said and the meaning behind it. You can pick out one sentence from a book but does that mean the entire book is about that one sentence.
And since you mentioned it, why don't they make an 1800cc UTILITY QUAD? And why would you personally want one? Not a SPORT QUAD but a UTILITY 700lb 4x4, WORKHORSE QUAD. And not a side by side either.
If you had read the entire feed then you may not have needed to zero in on one sentence and asked, maybe your questions may have been already answered.
May 3, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by: 700vtwinman
Then tell me why would anyone need a motorcycle over 800cc's? They make 1500 and 1800cc motorcycles, yet you can only ride up to the speed limit "legally" and the 500cc - 700cc motorcycles can do that with no problem. So whats the purpose of having a motorcycle bigger than 800cc?
Then tell me why would anyone need a motorcycle over 800cc's? They make 1500 and 1800cc motorcycles, yet you can only ride up to the speed limit "legally" and the 500cc - 700cc motorcycles can do that with no problem. So whats the purpose of having a motorcycle bigger than 800cc?
If you read the entire feed then you already know my opinions, now I would like to hear about yours.
May 3, 2007 | 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by: zitterich246
Im all for debate, but hate reading you 2 say the same things over and over again. Back to the point, as was mentioned before, a big quad will generate buzz for the rest of the line up, like what the bombardier 800 did for their 400
Im all for debate, but hate reading you 2 say the same things over and over again. Back to the point, as was mentioned before, a big quad will generate buzz for the rest of the line up, like what the bombardier 800 did for their 400
Just the machine itself, personally I don't feel that a 700lb UTILITY QUAD in the EXTRA big-bore class (say 800 and up) in practicle. I think it would be overgunned for the TYPE of machine that it is or it's intended function. It is a 4x4 UTILITY QUAD we're talking about not a SPORT quad.
Do you feel that a 900-1000 or bigger engine size is needed, is usefull, is practicle, or can the 400-650 class fill the bill in terms of UTILITY for a 700 lb 4x4?
Share your view points and opinions with us.
May 3, 2007 | 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by: buckaroo50
You are probably right about the buzz that it will generate. And it probably will be good for business, and it will probably generate sales in the lower 400-650 segment.
Just the machine itself, personally I don't feel that a UTILITY QUAD in the EXTRA big-bore class (say 800 and up) in practicle. I think it would be overgunned for the TYPE of machine that it is or it's intended function. It is a 4x4 UTILITY QUAD we're talking about not a SPORT quad.
Do you feel that a 900-1000 or bigger engine size is needed, is usefull, is practicle, or can the 400-650 class fill the bill in terms of UTILITY for a 700 lb 4x4?
Share your view points and opinions with us.
Originally posted by: zitterich246
Im all for debate, but hate reading you 2 say the same things over and over again. Back to the point, as was mentioned before, a big quad will generate buzz for the rest of the line up, like what the bombardier 800 did for their 400
Im all for debate, but hate reading you 2 say the same things over and over again. Back to the point, as was mentioned before, a big quad will generate buzz for the rest of the line up, like what the bombardier 800 did for their 400
Just the machine itself, personally I don't feel that a UTILITY QUAD in the EXTRA big-bore class (say 800 and up) in practicle. I think it would be overgunned for the TYPE of machine that it is or it's intended function. It is a 4x4 UTILITY QUAD we're talking about not a SPORT quad.
Do you feel that a 900-1000 or bigger engine size is needed, is usefull, is practicle, or can the 400-650 class fill the bill in terms of UTILITY for a 700 lb 4x4?
Share your view points and opinions with us.
May 3, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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4 people we ride with have Bomb 800's.
About 15 others have Polaris 700 EFI, and 3 have 800EFI limiteds.
The guys with the bombs admit they wouldn't trade their machines but when the trails go black diamond they all say that having that much power on tap is considerably harder to control than other machines they've owned. All these guys I ride with have on average 15yrs on quads so it's not lack of experience. I ride a 500 cat TRV (2 seater) and that machine could come out in an 800 and would sell big time! The 650 came out 3 months after I bought the 500 or that's what I'd have. The bigger and heavier a machine is, the more power it can handle safely.
Big bore Cons; Bigger and heavier
More wear on drive train, belt, and suspension
Severly reduced gas mileage
Pros; Power is there when you need it.
ability to lift the front end over obsticles.
being able to have the prestige of a big bore.
All that extra power in a big bore doesn't increase the towing ability.
All that power is also just going to help you bury your quad quicker in the mud, and the extra weight will make it that much harder to get out. This remark is for the american made quads.
Personal experience has taught me that it's sooo much easier to get any other quad out of the slop than it is a Polaris or cat.
On the other hand, with all that power you could just hydroplane across the mud![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
About 15 others have Polaris 700 EFI, and 3 have 800EFI limiteds.
The guys with the bombs admit they wouldn't trade their machines but when the trails go black diamond they all say that having that much power on tap is considerably harder to control than other machines they've owned. All these guys I ride with have on average 15yrs on quads so it's not lack of experience. I ride a 500 cat TRV (2 seater) and that machine could come out in an 800 and would sell big time! The 650 came out 3 months after I bought the 500 or that's what I'd have. The bigger and heavier a machine is, the more power it can handle safely.
Big bore Cons; Bigger and heavier
More wear on drive train, belt, and suspension
Severly reduced gas mileage
Pros; Power is there when you need it.
ability to lift the front end over obsticles.
being able to have the prestige of a big bore.
All that extra power in a big bore doesn't increase the towing ability.
All that power is also just going to help you bury your quad quicker in the mud, and the extra weight will make it that much harder to get out. This remark is for the american made quads.
Personal experience has taught me that it's sooo much easier to get any other quad out of the slop than it is a Polaris or cat.
On the other hand, with all that power you could just hydroplane across the mud![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
May 3, 2007 | 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by: Scott7493
4 people we ride with have Bomb 800's.
About 15 others have Polaris 700 EFI, and 3 have 800EFI limiteds.
The guys with the bombs admit they wouldn't trade their machines but when the trails go black diamond they all say that having that much power on tap is considerably harder to control than other machines they've owned. All these guys I ride with have on average 15yrs on quads so it's not lack of experience. I ride a 500 cat TRV (2 seater) and that machine could come out in an 800 and would sell big time! The 650 came out 3 months after I bought the 500 or that's what I'd have. The bigger and heavier a machine is, the more power it can handle safely.
Big bore Cons; Bigger and heavier
More wear on drive train, belt, and suspension
Severly reduced gas mileage
Pros; Power is there when you need it.
ability to lift the front end over obsticles.
being able to have the prestige of a big bore.
All that extra power in a big bore doesn't increase the towing ability.
All that power is also just going to help you bury your quad quicker in the mud, and the extra weight will make it that much harder to get out. This remark is for the american made quads.
Personal experience has taught me that it's sooo much easier to get any other quad out of the slop than it is a Polaris or cat.
On the other hand, with all that power you could just hydroplane across the mud![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
4 people we ride with have Bomb 800's.
About 15 others have Polaris 700 EFI, and 3 have 800EFI limiteds.
The guys with the bombs admit they wouldn't trade their machines but when the trails go black diamond they all say that having that much power on tap is considerably harder to control than other machines they've owned. All these guys I ride with have on average 15yrs on quads so it's not lack of experience. I ride a 500 cat TRV (2 seater) and that machine could come out in an 800 and would sell big time! The 650 came out 3 months after I bought the 500 or that's what I'd have. The bigger and heavier a machine is, the more power it can handle safely.
Big bore Cons; Bigger and heavier
More wear on drive train, belt, and suspension
Severly reduced gas mileage
Pros; Power is there when you need it.
ability to lift the front end over obsticles.
being able to have the prestige of a big bore.
All that extra power in a big bore doesn't increase the towing ability.
All that power is also just going to help you bury your quad quicker in the mud, and the extra weight will make it that much harder to get out. This remark is for the american made quads.
Personal experience has taught me that it's sooo much easier to get any other quad out of the slop than it is a Polaris or cat.
On the other hand, with all that power you could just hydroplane across the mud![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
I agree - 800 TRV probably would be mint, assuming they put the heavier duty axles etc to go along with the added power. And again agree, that when the motor goes bigger then the machine should get heavier.
Because of clearence etc even my 400 when I get it stuck it is so far in there that it takes a man, two boys and a dog to get it unstuck. My origional plan with my 4x4 was to go in two wheel drive until I could no longer go and then use 4x4 to back out and turn around - ha, so much for origional plans.
I just don't see any bennefits of a 900-1000cc engine in a 700lb Utility Quad, I see more negatives than possitives, but I guess after 45 years of owning just about every kind of 4x4 (except a Hummer), and several dual-purpose/enduro motorcycles, I must have missed something along the way.