Stupid Kills? or What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?
Nov 17, 2007 | 11:01 PM
#401
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Stupid Kills? or What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?
Windtrader,
At the risk of repeating myself, "I don't have the time to address all the issues you raise. And, we actually agree on many of these issues. Unfortunately, the language barrier between the Midwest and the 'Land of Fruits & Nuts' sometimes garbles communications."
So, here's a cut-n-pasted post from February 27, 2007 in this same thread. Arn't we really calling for the same things?
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"I get reports like that everyday. Sure some are repeats etc., but its tough to continue to read them, and most just get deleted."
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When reports like this become so commonplace that we (myself included) just delete them, the reality is this. Through our unintentional complacency we tacitly accept these tragedies as the norm. It's this "norm" that we need to change. That's what responsible members of the ATV community can do to reduce the number of serious injuries and deaths.
In the last 3 weeks alone, we've read of a mother allowing her 2-1/2 year-old ride an ATV intended for ages 6-to-12 year-olds. A father who allowed his 10 year old son to operate a 660cc UTV on a highway. Another father who allowed his 10-year-old son to take his 2-year-old little brother for a ride on an adult size ATV. A mother who was operating an ATV for the first time, with her 10-year-old daughter on the back. Parents who allowed a 16-year-old to take a 13-year-old and an 11-year-old for a ride on a single passenger 400cc ATV, all at the same time. Now, parents who allowed a 13-year-old to take his 10-year-old sister for a ride on a 360cc ATV. Folks, this isn't even half of the off-highway vehicle accident reports for the period. But, the 6 events above resulted in 1 injured adult, 5 injured children and 4 children dead.
The statistics above have two common denominators:
1. Parents engaging in, or allowing unsafe ATV / UTV operation.
2. Children as operators or passengers on ATV's designed for one adult operator.
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"What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?"
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We can push for uniform state level legislation in the following four areas:
1. Require participation in an ATV Safety Institute approved operator education course, before the machine leaves the dealer with a new operator. Experienced operators would present proof of completion at the time of purchase to satisfy this requirement. Dealerships would be required to have a certified in-house ATVSI instructor and courses offered at least once a week. As manufacturers and dealers profit from increased after-market sales, the safe return of customers would more than offset the cost.
2. While stopping short of licensure, upon request by law enforcement officials, require proof of completion of an ATV Safety Institute approved course, by all operators of ATV's/UTV's, regardless of age. This could be similar to the proof of insurance requirements already in place for motor vehicle operators.
3. Adopt the CPSC guidelines prohibiting underage operation of ATV's and UTV's not designed for the age group of the operator. Expand these guidelines and develop a "skills testing" procedure, administered by ATVSI instructors, for 14 and 15 year-olds who demonstrate the ability to safely operate larger machines; with a limit of 250cc. Also, establish a new limit of 500cc for 16 and 17 year-olds.
4. Include all motorized off-highway vehicles (OHV's defined as ATV's - UTV's - dirt and trail bikes, and other motorized OHV's), operated on or off roads, in traffic statutes prohibiting operation without required training, underage operation, unsafe or reckless operation, and operating under the influence of alcohol or drugs (already enforced in many states). Allow for enforcement of these statutes by state, county and local law enforcement, as well as wildlife, fish & game, forest and park rangers. Penalties should be progressively more severe for each subsequent offense.
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Some who read this will scream about the invasion of our rights by big government; I agree. But, once you've heard the screams of an injured child, or three, it changes your opinion of what needs to be done to reduce the number of kids killed while participating in what we innocently call "a recreational activity."
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"Ding Ding - final round for you, you Briar hoppin' nectar sucking hillbilly. :-)"
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Sticks and stones and ATV wrecks may break my bones, but names will never hurt me!
But, you break that Mason jar of nectar and I'm gon'a break your butt!!!
At the risk of repeating myself, "I don't have the time to address all the issues you raise. And, we actually agree on many of these issues. Unfortunately, the language barrier between the Midwest and the 'Land of Fruits & Nuts' sometimes garbles communications."
So, here's a cut-n-pasted post from February 27, 2007 in this same thread. Arn't we really calling for the same things?
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"I get reports like that everyday. Sure some are repeats etc., but its tough to continue to read them, and most just get deleted."
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When reports like this become so commonplace that we (myself included) just delete them, the reality is this. Through our unintentional complacency we tacitly accept these tragedies as the norm. It's this "norm" that we need to change. That's what responsible members of the ATV community can do to reduce the number of serious injuries and deaths.
In the last 3 weeks alone, we've read of a mother allowing her 2-1/2 year-old ride an ATV intended for ages 6-to-12 year-olds. A father who allowed his 10 year old son to operate a 660cc UTV on a highway. Another father who allowed his 10-year-old son to take his 2-year-old little brother for a ride on an adult size ATV. A mother who was operating an ATV for the first time, with her 10-year-old daughter on the back. Parents who allowed a 16-year-old to take a 13-year-old and an 11-year-old for a ride on a single passenger 400cc ATV, all at the same time. Now, parents who allowed a 13-year-old to take his 10-year-old sister for a ride on a 360cc ATV. Folks, this isn't even half of the off-highway vehicle accident reports for the period. But, the 6 events above resulted in 1 injured adult, 5 injured children and 4 children dead.
The statistics above have two common denominators:
1. Parents engaging in, or allowing unsafe ATV / UTV operation.
2. Children as operators or passengers on ATV's designed for one adult operator.
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"What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?"
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We can push for uniform state level legislation in the following four areas:
1. Require participation in an ATV Safety Institute approved operator education course, before the machine leaves the dealer with a new operator. Experienced operators would present proof of completion at the time of purchase to satisfy this requirement. Dealerships would be required to have a certified in-house ATVSI instructor and courses offered at least once a week. As manufacturers and dealers profit from increased after-market sales, the safe return of customers would more than offset the cost.
2. While stopping short of licensure, upon request by law enforcement officials, require proof of completion of an ATV Safety Institute approved course, by all operators of ATV's/UTV's, regardless of age. This could be similar to the proof of insurance requirements already in place for motor vehicle operators.
3. Adopt the CPSC guidelines prohibiting underage operation of ATV's and UTV's not designed for the age group of the operator. Expand these guidelines and develop a "skills testing" procedure, administered by ATVSI instructors, for 14 and 15 year-olds who demonstrate the ability to safely operate larger machines; with a limit of 250cc. Also, establish a new limit of 500cc for 16 and 17 year-olds.
4. Include all motorized off-highway vehicles (OHV's defined as ATV's - UTV's - dirt and trail bikes, and other motorized OHV's), operated on or off roads, in traffic statutes prohibiting operation without required training, underage operation, unsafe or reckless operation, and operating under the influence of alcohol or drugs (already enforced in many states). Allow for enforcement of these statutes by state, county and local law enforcement, as well as wildlife, fish & game, forest and park rangers. Penalties should be progressively more severe for each subsequent offense.
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Some who read this will scream about the invasion of our rights by big government; I agree. But, once you've heard the screams of an injured child, or three, it changes your opinion of what needs to be done to reduce the number of kids killed while participating in what we innocently call "a recreational activity."
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"Ding Ding - final round for you, you Briar hoppin' nectar sucking hillbilly. :-)"
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Sticks and stones and ATV wrecks may break my bones, but names will never hurt me!
But, you break that Mason jar of nectar and I'm gon'a break your butt!!!
Nov 18, 2007 | 02:37 AM
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Stupid Kills? or What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>So, here's a cut-n-pasted post from February 27, 2007 in this same thread. Arn't we really calling for the same things? </end quote></div>
We certainly are singing the same melody but slightly different lyrics.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>KDA's Farm & Home Safety Program has developed courses on driving all-terrain vehicles
and lawn mowers safely.
Farming was already Kentucky's most dangerous profession before the upsurge in ATV popularity that accelerated in the 1990s began swelling the toll of death and injury. Kentucky led the nation in ATV deaths from 2002 to 2004 with 106. Bigger and more powerful lawn mowers have increased the risk of injury and death.
KDA added its ATV safety course in 2005 as a pilot project in several counties. A proposal to include $120,000 in the state budget for the course failed to win approval in the 2006 Kentucky General Assembly.
"Kentucky has suffered more from injuries and deaths in ATV accidents than any other state," Commissioner Farmer said. "Our ATV education program shows people can minimize risk on their ATVs and still have fun."</end quote></div>
Taken from one of your links. This shows how pathetic the establishment politic in KY is unwilling to support ATV safety. I'm sure Commissioner Farmer is supported by KDA and his case was made to the Assembly but as I have mentioned, at the risk of repeating myself, "not enough support to get effective lobbying done".
Take a look at the budget details (page 47) 13million of 30 million goes to consumer and environ programs and they could not muster up enough will to squeeze in a 120k. Really sad my friend.
Ag dept budget details
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>We can push for uniform state level legislation in the following four areas:
1. Require participation in an ATV Safety Institute approved operator education course, before the machine leaves the dealer with a new operator. Experienced operators would present proof of completion at the time of purchase to satisfy this requirement. Dealerships would be required to have a certified in-house ATVSI instructor and courses offered at least once a week. As manufacturers and dealers profit from increased after-market sales, the safe return of customers would more than offset the cost.
2. While stopping short of licensure, upon request by law enforcement officials, require proof of completion of an ATV Safety Institute approved course, by all operators of ATV's/UTV's, regardless of age. This could be similar to the proof of insurance requirements already in place for motor vehicle operators.
3. Adopt the CPSC guidelines prohibiting underage operation of ATV's and UTV's not designed for the age group of the operator. Expand these guidelines and develop a "skills testing" procedure, administered by ATVSI instructors, for 14 and 15 year-olds who demonstrate the ability to safely operate larger machines; with a limit of 250cc. Also, establish a new limit of 500cc for 16 and 17 year-olds.
4. Include all motorized off-highway vehicles (OHV's defined as ATV's - UTV's - dirt and trail bikes, and other motorized OHV's), operated on or off roads, in traffic statutes prohibiting operation without required training, underage operation, unsafe or reckless operation, and operating under the influence of alcohol or drugs (already enforced in many states). Allow for enforcement of these statutes by state, county and local law enforcement, as well as wildlife, fish & game, forest and park rangers. Penalties should be progressively more severe for each subsequent offense. </end quote></div>So, how does your #1 get going when a US state can't get behind a measly $120k expend. I just think it is unrealistic that there is enough will to make it happen. #2 is hinged to #1 - so it is unrealistic as well.
#3 we agree on as I suggested modifications to current CPSC requirements as doable.
#4 This is where I take a harder line in outright banning ATV riding on public roadways. I would exclude Forest Service roads and such as they are technically public but safe to ride with care on ATVs.
The other links are ones I've reviewed earlier and commented on. Since you are involved with individual cases, I thought there might be a database with the details of individual accidents. I was more curious than anything else to get a better understanding the root causes for the accidents: what percentage took place on public roads, what percentage were caused by mechanical failure, pilot error in judgment, double riding, under the influence, etc. As I said before, I'm done with this line of dialog and agree we are much closer than apart in what to promote going forward but it has really piqued my curiosity to get a more accurate understanding through analysis of collected empirical data. The ATVsafety org that produces the rolled up summaries has to have some level of reporting on each incident in order to produce these stats. If you have any ideas on how to pursue getting at this info, do mention it.
The trailer is loaded and ready for some ATV riding, so have a nice Thanksgiving. But I'm bringing my laptop and am able to respond to your nonsense while you type while in nectar-haze.
Here are a couple of very revealing articles on the fight for tougher safety laws, some key players, and motives.
ATV safety special report
tough getting safety laws in
fighitng for better safety
We certainly are singing the same melody but slightly different lyrics.
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>KDA's Farm & Home Safety Program has developed courses on driving all-terrain vehicles
and lawn mowers safely.
Farming was already Kentucky's most dangerous profession before the upsurge in ATV popularity that accelerated in the 1990s began swelling the toll of death and injury. Kentucky led the nation in ATV deaths from 2002 to 2004 with 106. Bigger and more powerful lawn mowers have increased the risk of injury and death.
KDA added its ATV safety course in 2005 as a pilot project in several counties. A proposal to include $120,000 in the state budget for the course failed to win approval in the 2006 Kentucky General Assembly.
"Kentucky has suffered more from injuries and deaths in ATV accidents than any other state," Commissioner Farmer said. "Our ATV education program shows people can minimize risk on their ATVs and still have fun."</end quote></div>
Taken from one of your links. This shows how pathetic the establishment politic in KY is unwilling to support ATV safety. I'm sure Commissioner Farmer is supported by KDA and his case was made to the Assembly but as I have mentioned, at the risk of repeating myself, "not enough support to get effective lobbying done".
Take a look at the budget details (page 47) 13million of 30 million goes to consumer and environ programs and they could not muster up enough will to squeeze in a 120k. Really sad my friend.
Ag dept budget details
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>We can push for uniform state level legislation in the following four areas:
1. Require participation in an ATV Safety Institute approved operator education course, before the machine leaves the dealer with a new operator. Experienced operators would present proof of completion at the time of purchase to satisfy this requirement. Dealerships would be required to have a certified in-house ATVSI instructor and courses offered at least once a week. As manufacturers and dealers profit from increased after-market sales, the safe return of customers would more than offset the cost.
2. While stopping short of licensure, upon request by law enforcement officials, require proof of completion of an ATV Safety Institute approved course, by all operators of ATV's/UTV's, regardless of age. This could be similar to the proof of insurance requirements already in place for motor vehicle operators.
3. Adopt the CPSC guidelines prohibiting underage operation of ATV's and UTV's not designed for the age group of the operator. Expand these guidelines and develop a "skills testing" procedure, administered by ATVSI instructors, for 14 and 15 year-olds who demonstrate the ability to safely operate larger machines; with a limit of 250cc. Also, establish a new limit of 500cc for 16 and 17 year-olds.
4. Include all motorized off-highway vehicles (OHV's defined as ATV's - UTV's - dirt and trail bikes, and other motorized OHV's), operated on or off roads, in traffic statutes prohibiting operation without required training, underage operation, unsafe or reckless operation, and operating under the influence of alcohol or drugs (already enforced in many states). Allow for enforcement of these statutes by state, county and local law enforcement, as well as wildlife, fish & game, forest and park rangers. Penalties should be progressively more severe for each subsequent offense. </end quote></div>So, how does your #1 get going when a US state can't get behind a measly $120k expend. I just think it is unrealistic that there is enough will to make it happen. #2 is hinged to #1 - so it is unrealistic as well.
#3 we agree on as I suggested modifications to current CPSC requirements as doable.
#4 This is where I take a harder line in outright banning ATV riding on public roadways. I would exclude Forest Service roads and such as they are technically public but safe to ride with care on ATVs.
The other links are ones I've reviewed earlier and commented on. Since you are involved with individual cases, I thought there might be a database with the details of individual accidents. I was more curious than anything else to get a better understanding the root causes for the accidents: what percentage took place on public roads, what percentage were caused by mechanical failure, pilot error in judgment, double riding, under the influence, etc. As I said before, I'm done with this line of dialog and agree we are much closer than apart in what to promote going forward but it has really piqued my curiosity to get a more accurate understanding through analysis of collected empirical data. The ATVsafety org that produces the rolled up summaries has to have some level of reporting on each incident in order to produce these stats. If you have any ideas on how to pursue getting at this info, do mention it.
The trailer is loaded and ready for some ATV riding, so have a nice Thanksgiving. But I'm bringing my laptop and am able to respond to your nonsense while you type while in nectar-haze.
Here are a couple of very revealing articles on the fight for tougher safety laws, some key players, and motives.
ATV safety special report
tough getting safety laws in
fighitng for better safety
Nov 18, 2007 | 02:41 PM
#403
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Stupid Kills? or What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?
"Taken from one of your links. This shows how pathetic the establishment politic in KY is unwilling to support ATV safety. I'm sure Commissioner Farmer is supported by KDA and his case was made to the Assembly but as I have mentioned, at the risk of repeating myself, "not enough support to get effective lobbying done".
Take a look at the budget details (page 47) 13million of 30 million goes to consumer and environ programs and they could not muster up enough will to squeeze in a 120k. Really sad my friend."
Windtrader
Again, in the haze of your Tetrahydrocannabinol saturated mind, you have drawn the wrong conclusions from the articles you've read through the smoke of that fat doobbie.
The day after the assembly cut the $120K from the '06 budget, KY Dept. of Agriculture (KDA) Commissioner Farmer ordered the "ATV Safety Program" to proceed drawing on funding from the "Farm and Home Safety Training Program."
Direct funding did not make it out of committee due to another piece of pending legislation that called for mandatory ATV training and helmets for riders under 16. As a result, the "anti-governmental intrusion" types went negative on anything related to ATV regulation, and this program was a casualty. While the funding did not get approved, a watered down version of the ATV Safety bill did pass.
So, go ride. But leave the Cannabis sativa behind.
Take a look at the budget details (page 47) 13million of 30 million goes to consumer and environ programs and they could not muster up enough will to squeeze in a 120k. Really sad my friend."
Windtrader
Again, in the haze of your Tetrahydrocannabinol saturated mind, you have drawn the wrong conclusions from the articles you've read through the smoke of that fat doobbie.
The day after the assembly cut the $120K from the '06 budget, KY Dept. of Agriculture (KDA) Commissioner Farmer ordered the "ATV Safety Program" to proceed drawing on funding from the "Farm and Home Safety Training Program."
Direct funding did not make it out of committee due to another piece of pending legislation that called for mandatory ATV training and helmets for riders under 16. As a result, the "anti-governmental intrusion" types went negative on anything related to ATV regulation, and this program was a casualty. While the funding did not get approved, a watered down version of the ATV Safety bill did pass.
So, go ride. But leave the Cannabis sativa behind.
Nov 18, 2007 | 05:09 PM
#404
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Stupid Kills? or What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?
I am not so sure about the registration deal... I called WI State a few years ago, had them send me the paperwork, and they told me that I would have to pay the difference between VA and WI sales tax. At that time, with 5 machines, it was a hefty sum. Agreed, VA does not have a registration. We can however register in PA and NOT have to pay the sales tax. I would gladly pay the trail pass fee, and I would not like it, but would pay the registration fee if forced to, but o way would i do the sales tax again.
When you consider I am travelling over 1000 miles to get there just to ride on my own land, it really is a tad much. Pulling a trailer that far will cost a grand easy round trip. I have a 12 year old, and to be told he can't ride without the tarining course.. considering the distances involed, how can I gurantee he can even get a class when I get there? That seems a long way to go to not know if he can even ride or not. Understand, I own the 9 acres there that I will be riding on. Not the state
When you consider I am travelling over 1000 miles to get there just to ride on my own land, it really is a tad much. Pulling a trailer that far will cost a grand easy round trip. I have a 12 year old, and to be told he can't ride without the tarining course.. considering the distances involed, how can I gurantee he can even get a class when I get there? That seems a long way to go to not know if he can even ride or not. Understand, I own the 9 acres there that I will be riding on. Not the state
Nov 18, 2007 | 05:35 PM
#405
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Stupid Kills? or What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?
I know here in Mn we fought to get laws changed where if your under 16 you need to take a Saftey youth course which is class room and riding test, which has droped the number of kids getting killed now I'm not saying that it has stoped all the dumb things going on out there but it has slowed it down
Nov 18, 2007 | 08:20 PM
#406
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Hey DB,
How's it draggin?
I contacted a customer of ours in south central WI and he pointed me in a couple directions.
FIRST,
Wisconsin State ATV Laws:
http://www.atvsafety.gov/state/wisconsin.html
* Children under 12 must wear a helmet at all times except if the ATV is operated for agricultural purposes or on family's land.
* Children between age 12 and 18 must wear a helmet, unless hunting or fishing, operating for agricultural purposes, or on their family's land.
* All ATVs are required to be registered. There are two types of registration: (1) public land use, which is renewed every two years or (2) private land use, which lasts for the lifetime of the vehicle.
* No one under 12 may operate an ATV unless operating on their family's land, operating for agricultural purposes and under direct supervision of a person over age 18, or unless operating a 4-wheel ATV of 90cc or less on a designated ATV trail and accompanied by a parent.
* No one under 12 may operate an ATV on a roadway.
* Children at least age 12 and born on or after January 1, 1988, must have taken a safety training course, unless operating on family's land.
* ATV use on roads is prohibited, except for agricultural purposes or to cross these roads.
* ATVs shall not be operated during hours of darkness without a lighted taillight and headlight.
* WI State Agency that Regulates ATVs: Department of Natural Resources. View their Web Site: http://dnr.wi.gov/org/caer/cs/registrations/atv.htm
* WI ATV Training: Click here to learn how to enroll in an ATV safety training course near you! https://online.svia.org/traini...nroll/EnrollIntro.aspx
* WI ATV Legislation: To view Wisconsin's state ATV laws, click here. http://www.atvsafety.gov/legislation/WisconsinLaw.pdf
SECOND,
The Wisconsin ATV Association, Inc.
5531 B. North Hwy 42
Sheboygan WI 53083
(920) 565-7531
Website:
http://www.watva.org/Home.aspx
Email Address:
info@watva.org
If anyone can answer your questions, I would think it would be this group.
How's it draggin?
I contacted a customer of ours in south central WI and he pointed me in a couple directions.
FIRST,
Wisconsin State ATV Laws:
http://www.atvsafety.gov/state/wisconsin.html
* Children under 12 must wear a helmet at all times except if the ATV is operated for agricultural purposes or on family's land.
* Children between age 12 and 18 must wear a helmet, unless hunting or fishing, operating for agricultural purposes, or on their family's land.
* All ATVs are required to be registered. There are two types of registration: (1) public land use, which is renewed every two years or (2) private land use, which lasts for the lifetime of the vehicle.
* No one under 12 may operate an ATV unless operating on their family's land, operating for agricultural purposes and under direct supervision of a person over age 18, or unless operating a 4-wheel ATV of 90cc or less on a designated ATV trail and accompanied by a parent.
* No one under 12 may operate an ATV on a roadway.
* Children at least age 12 and born on or after January 1, 1988, must have taken a safety training course, unless operating on family's land.
* ATV use on roads is prohibited, except for agricultural purposes or to cross these roads.
* ATVs shall not be operated during hours of darkness without a lighted taillight and headlight.
* WI State Agency that Regulates ATVs: Department of Natural Resources. View their Web Site: http://dnr.wi.gov/org/caer/cs/registrations/atv.htm
* WI ATV Training: Click here to learn how to enroll in an ATV safety training course near you! https://online.svia.org/traini...nroll/EnrollIntro.aspx
* WI ATV Legislation: To view Wisconsin's state ATV laws, click here. http://www.atvsafety.gov/legislation/WisconsinLaw.pdf
SECOND,
The Wisconsin ATV Association, Inc.
5531 B. North Hwy 42
Sheboygan WI 53083
(920) 565-7531
Website:
http://www.watva.org/Home.aspx
Email Address:
info@watva.org
If anyone can answer your questions, I would think it would be this group.
Nov 18, 2007 | 10:11 PM
#407
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Hiya,
I posted the following link earlier which you missed. Here it is again. It is as of 2006, so should be mostly still valid. It is clearly stated if you ride on PRIVATE land you need one of several types of reg, including the $18 trail pass. The rule on 12 year and older riding on PRIVATE land is there is no training cert. required.
Pay the $18 bucks and go ride.
consumer guide to ATV regs
I posted the following link earlier which you missed. Here it is again. It is as of 2006, so should be mostly still valid. It is clearly stated if you ride on PRIVATE land you need one of several types of reg, including the $18 trail pass. The rule on 12 year and older riding on PRIVATE land is there is no training cert. required.
Pay the $18 bucks and go ride.
consumer guide to ATV regs
Nov 20, 2007 | 07:15 PM
#408
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Is old enough to know better, but too young to stop.
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From: Northern Virginia, near DC
Stupid Kills? or What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?
Well, I guess I'll need to clean my glasses more often then. Thanks for the updated information...
Eresq, as for how they are draggin.. I don't really know... I haven't been able to see past my belly button for so long, I can't say for sure... If you would like, I guess I could ask Mrs. DB, but I doubt I could repeat her answer in this forum...
Eresq, as for how they are draggin.. I don't really know... I haven't been able to see past my belly button for so long, I can't say for sure... If you would like, I guess I could ask Mrs. DB, but I doubt I could repeat her answer in this forum...
Nov 23, 2007 | 01:03 AM
#409
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From: LaGrande Oregon
Stupid Kills? or What can the ATV community do to reduce the number of serious injuries?
[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img]Several of the latest posts have mentioned that safety may not be much of an issue to the Feds as they are eliminating access to public property. If the Feds are successful at this lockup of our land the things that are going to happen for sure are 1) more trespass on private property, 2) more riders on the areas that might remain open. More people in less area results in the potential for more accidents and more of an emphasis on safety. As the world of public property riding becomes more limited.........the crowding of the remaining areas is assured. Tass.
Nov 23, 2007 | 01:12 AM
#410
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Tass
[img][/img]Several of the latest posts have mentioned that safety may not be much of an issue to the Feds as they are eliminating access to public property. If the Feds are successful at this lockup of our land the things that are going to happen for sure are 1) more trespass on private property, 2) more riders on the areas that might remain open. More people in less area results in the potential for more accidents and more of an emphasis on safety. As the world of public property riding becomes more limited.........the crowding of the remaining areas is assured. Tass.</end quote></div>
I'm not sure which post on this thread you are refering to, as no one here has mentioned anything close to what you just posted.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]
[img][/img]Several of the latest posts have mentioned that safety may not be much of an issue to the Feds as they are eliminating access to public property. If the Feds are successful at this lockup of our land the things that are going to happen for sure are 1) more trespass on private property, 2) more riders on the areas that might remain open. More people in less area results in the potential for more accidents and more of an emphasis on safety. As the world of public property riding becomes more limited.........the crowding of the remaining areas is assured. Tass.</end quote></div>
I'm not sure which post on this thread you are refering to, as no one here has mentioned anything close to what you just posted.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]