Engine size
Mar 23, 2016 | 11:45 AM
#111
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My friend owns a shop with a Mustang dyno. The latest run he's had is Dodge Hellcat owners wanting to tune for more hp. He said he's seen about 638 rwhp stock, but everybody wants more. Hard to say what happens in 10 years, but I've been modding the heck out of my Arctic Cat 500 and only got it to 55 mph on the gps. So, yes, I'd take a 1000 cc in a heartbeat, especially if it got the same mpg's.
Mar 23, 2016 | 12:11 PM
#112
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I'm all for limiting Beergut to a 90cc. He seems to get into accidents on anything more powerful. 
Seriously, put the kids on kids' quads and let them learn how to ride and build up gradually as they grow. That is common sense. But, sometimes people can't afford to buy a new quad, sell it at a loss a couple years later, etc. I have seen plenty of young folks learn on a 250 with parental oversight.
As far as adults go, let the market decide. I'm very happy with my 650 in all ways. My gripe is you often can't get the packages with all the bells and whistles you want in the less powerful machines. For instance, you can't buy an Outlander Max XTP with the 650 anymore. You have to bump up to the 850. But, if you want one, and can afford one, we have freedom of choice. A competitive market benefits all of us.
Seriously, put the kids on kids' quads and let them learn how to ride and build up gradually as they grow. That is common sense. But, sometimes people can't afford to buy a new quad, sell it at a loss a couple years later, etc. I have seen plenty of young folks learn on a 250 with parental oversight.
As far as adults go, let the market decide. I'm very happy with my 650 in all ways. My gripe is you often can't get the packages with all the bells and whistles you want in the less powerful machines. For instance, you can't buy an Outlander Max XTP with the 650 anymore. You have to bump up to the 850. But, if you want one, and can afford one, we have freedom of choice. A competitive market benefits all of us.
well- to be fair to the sales associate- when he saw you walk through the door he probably figured you'd need an 800 or larger to carry your "well nourished" body around the trails
Mar 23, 2016 | 01:27 PM
#113
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I thought we would see constant increases to 1100, 1200, maybe even 1300cc if that's what people wanted. There are small cars with engines that size and I thought someone would make an ATV or at least a SxS that size. I also expected more injuries but I don't know if there have been so far or not. If there were I expected government regulations to stop the size wars, but the manufacturers may have decided to limit themselves to 1000cc without having the government step in to regulate it. Is 1000cc going to be the limit?
I'm happy with my 500 and my friend with a 335 can almost keep up to my other friend with a 1000 on the trails. It's not as fast on the roads but we're only supposed to go 20 MPH on the shoulder of the roads anyway. 2 or 3 times the engine size makes it faster but there's nowhere to legally ride that fast. The bigger engine burns more gas and doesn't have a lot of benefits. You can go 0-30 MPH faster but you have to slow down to 20 MPH a moment later on most of the trails we ride. I could see the point of getting a larger engine if you're turning 30" tires in deep mud all the time or riding wide open sand dunes but for trail riding why bother?
I'm happy with my 500 and my friend with a 335 can almost keep up to my other friend with a 1000 on the trails. It's not as fast on the roads but we're only supposed to go 20 MPH on the shoulder of the roads anyway. 2 or 3 times the engine size makes it faster but there's nowhere to legally ride that fast. The bigger engine burns more gas and doesn't have a lot of benefits. You can go 0-30 MPH faster but you have to slow down to 20 MPH a moment later on most of the trails we ride. I could see the point of getting a larger engine if you're turning 30" tires in deep mud all the time or riding wide open sand dunes but for trail riding why bother?
Mar 23, 2016 | 02:00 PM
#114
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what's up jumbo 
personally- trail riding is where my 1000 shined the most. riding a 500 or smaller ute in trails I found to be more clumsy, having to really lean into the trail and man handle the atv and it beat me up quite a bit. the 1000 is fluid- I cruise tight trails on the top- standing, power sliding between trees and around hairpin corners- sure, you can power slide on a 300 or a 500, but not like you can on a 800 or 1000- not even close. The mountain trails around here often have erosion control berms across the trail- on my 500 & 650, blipping the throttle just before hitting those berms had a lag or the engine had to rev up in order to lift the front and it ALWAYS increased forward motion, which is bad; you want to minimize forward motion while jumping berms on a windy down hill trail- with the 800 and 1000- just blipping the throttle over the berm would lift the front end with out increasing my forward motion and get you into the air instantly- and back on the ground just in time to powerslide around the corner. It's exhilarating, and sometimes makes you lose your breath. you dont get this from the 500. if your friend whose rideing a 335 can keep pace with a 1000- then the person on the 1000 doesn't know how to ride it!
personally- trail riding is where my 1000 shined the most. riding a 500 or smaller ute in trails I found to be more clumsy, having to really lean into the trail and man handle the atv and it beat me up quite a bit. the 1000 is fluid- I cruise tight trails on the top- standing, power sliding between trees and around hairpin corners- sure, you can power slide on a 300 or a 500, but not like you can on a 800 or 1000- not even close. The mountain trails around here often have erosion control berms across the trail- on my 500 & 650, blipping the throttle just before hitting those berms had a lag or the engine had to rev up in order to lift the front and it ALWAYS increased forward motion, which is bad; you want to minimize forward motion while jumping berms on a windy down hill trail- with the 800 and 1000- just blipping the throttle over the berm would lift the front end with out increasing my forward motion and get you into the air instantly- and back on the ground just in time to powerslide around the corner. It's exhilarating, and sometimes makes you lose your breath. you dont get this from the 500. if your friend whose rideing a 335 can keep pace with a 1000- then the person on the 1000 doesn't know how to ride it!
Mar 23, 2016 | 02:20 PM
#115
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Mar 23, 2016 | 02:25 PM
#116
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what's up jumbo
personally- trail riding is where my 1000 shined the most. riding a 500 or smaller ute in trails I found to be more clumsy, having to really lean into the trail and man handle the atv and it beat me up quite a bit. the 1000 is fluid- I cruise tight trails on the top- standing, power sliding between trees and around hairpin corners- sure, you can power slide on a 300 or a 500, but not like you can on a 800 or 1000- not even close. The mountain trails around here often have erosion control berms across the trail- on my 500 & 650, blipping the throttle just before hitting those berms had a lag or the engine had to rev up in order to lift the front and it ALWAYS increased forward motion, which is bad; you want to minimize forward motion while jumping berms on a windy down hill trail- with the 800 and 1000- just blipping the throttle over the berm would lift the front end with out increasing my forward motion and get you into the air instantly- and back on the ground just in time to powerslide around the corner. It's exhilarating, and sometimes makes you lose your breath. you dont get this from the 500. if your friend whose rideing a 335 can keep pace with a 1000- then the person on the 1000 doesn't know how to ride it!
personally- trail riding is where my 1000 shined the most. riding a 500 or smaller ute in trails I found to be more clumsy, having to really lean into the trail and man handle the atv and it beat me up quite a bit. the 1000 is fluid- I cruise tight trails on the top- standing, power sliding between trees and around hairpin corners- sure, you can power slide on a 300 or a 500, but not like you can on a 800 or 1000- not even close. The mountain trails around here often have erosion control berms across the trail- on my 500 & 650, blipping the throttle just before hitting those berms had a lag or the engine had to rev up in order to lift the front and it ALWAYS increased forward motion, which is bad; you want to minimize forward motion while jumping berms on a windy down hill trail- with the 800 and 1000- just blipping the throttle over the berm would lift the front end with out increasing my forward motion and get you into the air instantly- and back on the ground just in time to powerslide around the corner. It's exhilarating, and sometimes makes you lose your breath. you dont get this from the 500. if your friend whose rideing a 335 can keep pace with a 1000- then the person on the 1000 doesn't know how to ride it!
When it all gets down to it, ride what you have and enjoy it.
Mar 23, 2016 | 05:07 PM
#118
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Mar 23, 2016 | 06:52 PM
#119
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Engine size doesn't seem very important to me when I'm riding a 48" wide quad down a 50" trail. If I went any faster I would just hit more stumps and things. There's 2 way traffic on all the trails so even when the trail widens out you're better off not going very fast, especially when people going both ways take the inside of the curves.
Mar 23, 2016 | 08:40 PM
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I thought we would see constant increases to 1100, 1200, maybe even 1300cc if that's what people wanted. There are small cars with engines that size and I thought someone would make an ATV or at least a SxS that size. I also expected more injuries but I don't know if there have been so far or not. If there were I expected government regulations to stop the size wars, but the manufacturers may have decided to limit themselves to 1000cc without having the government step in to regulate it. Is 1000cc going to be the limit?
I'm happy with my 500 and my friend with a 335 can almost keep up to my other friend with a 1000 on the trails. It's not as fast on the roads but we're only supposed to go 20 MPH on the shoulder of the roads anyway. 2 or 3 times the engine size makes it faster but there's nowhere to legally ride that fast. The bigger engine burns more gas and doesn't have a lot of benefits. You can go 0-30 MPH faster but you have to slow down to 20 MPH a moment later on most of the trails we ride. I could see the point of getting a larger engine if you're turning 30" tires in deep mud all the time or riding wide open sand dunes but for trail riding why bother?
I'm happy with my 500 and my friend with a 335 can almost keep up to my other friend with a 1000 on the trails. It's not as fast on the roads but we're only supposed to go 20 MPH on the shoulder of the roads anyway. 2 or 3 times the engine size makes it faster but there's nowhere to legally ride that fast. The bigger engine burns more gas and doesn't have a lot of benefits. You can go 0-30 MPH faster but you have to slow down to 20 MPH a moment later on most of the trails we ride. I could see the point of getting a larger engine if you're turning 30" tires in deep mud all the time or riding wide open sand dunes but for trail riding why bother?
People ride in different areas. Way up 'Nort where the Arctic Cat and Polaris factories are you can legally ride right down the highway and into town. Guys that ride a lot of highway don't run mud tires, and can cruise down the road at a pretty good clip with a larger engine; something a 350 couldn't do - at least not day in and day out like a 1,000.
