Originally Posted by scrambler400enoge

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them."
Zachariah Johnson
Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."


"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"



"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States

Originally Posted by MooseHenden

Back to the original argument. Would you rather have someone who is uber hostile to private gun ownership or someone who can be reasoned with?

Originally Posted by Red400EXRod

I guess no snappy comeback to my question about the states that don't have sales tax.
And if you (Spooge) do your tax return, you'll find out that you don't pay any Federal Income Tax. Zip, Zero, Nada.

Originally Posted by MooseHenden

Then you don't understand the Constitution. Taxes are allowed for a standing army for national defense and offense when needed.

I would love to see them get rid of the rest of the taxes though.

Originally Posted by MooseHenden

If you had been paying attention you'd realize Social Security ran out last fall, 10 years ahead of the governments predictions.

Originally Posted by MooseHenden

They are not used as a tax. They suck up a huge part of the tax burden workers here have. These programs do have to go. We can't afford them. But if you leave Obama in office you WILL be worse off than just about anyone else being in there. He loves the entitlements and more people are on the public dole than previously.

Originally Posted by Red400EXRod

What about the states that don't have sales tax, dipwad?

Originally Posted by MooseHenden

You should probably be living in an area where they have a volunteer fire department and a county constable. I know just the place way out in the boonies. I was just getting firewood up there today. Of course, it will take the volunteers a while to get out there and there aren't any hydrants around.

If you expect services in your community you should expect taxes. If you want to live without them find an area like I mentioned up in VT or some place out in the middle of nowhere. Just remember, if it snows you'll have to clear your street.

Originally Posted by scrambler400enoge

Do it like Alaska. Alaska with no State sales tax allows local government to impose there own sales taxes. With a balanced budget amendment to the constitution I don't see why this coupled with a flat Military excise tax wouldn't work on a national scale and be beneficial to all parties.