He made up stories of war atrocities and presented those fallacies in front of Congress to make a name for himself. Cheap.

 

Rascal:

This is a bogus statement with no basis in fact. He had witnesses and I'd like to see where you read this supposed truth.

Talk about cheap!

 

And thank you for making my point for me! Now the question is: did Clinton "miss out on Vietnam" or did he "dodge the draft"? I think there is a big difference, don't you?

 

BTW, I don't think it was an issue with Republicans alone. I was a Democrat at the time and voted for Clinton but I didn't like what I heard about him dodging the draft.

 

This has really turned into a he said she said sorta thread. The truth is that most the figures about the U.S. government have a liberal spin and are twisted to favor the democrats. there is no source of unbiased news out there so reporting figures is a waste of time. As far as the social security system, it's just another way the government takes in revenue. Except the fact that people are starting to live longer and the government spends all the money that they were supposed to give the people when they retire. It's basically another tax. And the system is about to go backrupt because people are living longer and the government is spending more and more on a bunch worthless ****. I do believe however that we needed to liberate Iraq. So the recent spendings are ok for me. Chances are that most of us wont see a penny of our social security money. My $0.02 coming from a fifteen year old.

 

From the vets who served with and along the side of Kerry go to www.swiftvets.com

They have a little different take on how he served and how he is using this for the election, dare you look NSA1499......your golden boy Kerry will not seem so golden.

 

dirthhead:

First off, there are just as many people who say those are all lies as those who claim they are not.

As was pointed out by our astute 15 year old above....it's all he-said-she-said at this point.

I also don't feel Kerry is a golden boy in any way. However, Bush has had 4 years and has failed us miserably at this point.

If you can honestly say America is better off now than it was 4 years ago I guess you will die with your ability to see only what you want.

If you can honestly say we are in better standing in the world now than we were 4 years ago, I guess you will only see what you want.

Do you think we and the world is safer from terrorism now? If you think so check out the stats. There have been more world attacks since we started the war in Iraq.

And since most of the worlds terrorist reside in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia, chances are liberating Iraq will do nothing to stop it.

 

just4kicks:

Now you are getting into semantics. You think Bush didn't "dodge" the draft with his little ploy? Of course he did, he knew what he was doing. Either way, Clinton was not really the issue.

As usual the vast point was missed and lesser points were disected because they are easier to debate the flippant side.

 

reconranger


AMEN!, oops that didn't fit the list! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] I see nothing false in that entire thing.....good job.

 

I'm sorry you didn't see the relevance of my point so let me try to clear it up for you. You pass judgment on our Republican president on an issue that has ultimately been defended and brushed under the carpet by Democrats on our previous Democratic president. Is this not hypocrisy? And yet you accuse me of missing the point. It is the very individuals such as yourself that have helped me to realize what the Democratic forum is really about.

Let me pose a question if I may. If Kerry is elected and then chastised about his military service record, will you not bring Bush (the then former president) into the argument to defend Kerry? I sincerely hope you will not based upon your previous comments.