I am not asking if you would hold the law accountable, I asking if you would stand over their grave and tell them, "Well lttle jerk you got what you deserved and I am grateful for the law officers who got your law breaking butt off the road and I am so thankful they did not attempt to rescue you so they could live to take more jerks like you off the road."

Which is the song you are singing right now about someone else's kid.

 

the cops are the ones who survived this incident and could have willfully entered the water to "TRY" and pull this kid out in freezing temperatures. Hypothermia can set in in mere seconds in these conditions. So, should we hold the officers liable since they weren't equipped to do a water rescue? Should we hold the officers liable because they survived this scenario? They, afterall, can defend themselves and provide the challenge in court and also provide someone to blame for the tragedy? Maybe it was a challenge for the kid to see if he could get away? Who's to say this kid wouldn't have continued to run even without chase and still fall through the ice?

In the end, we as parents, are responsible for our children's actions, whether we're there or not until they reach the age of majority (18). We as parents, have the responsibility to bring our kids up to abide by the laws set forth by our legislators. We as parents, are responsible to be positive role models and bring our kids up in a structured environment.

Any accusations towards the officers involved, is a denial of ones own responsibility. The officers involved had no way of knowing if the kid would have kept running had they not given chase. Either way, the end result could have been the same.

 

i dont mean to be an @$$ or anything, but are you a parent? if you are than you know how hard it is to keep tabs on a kid. if you ask them something, and they dont want to answer, than they just wont say anything or worse, lye. if the child told his parents he doesnt hang around with the wrong people or do wrong things, the parents mostlikely will gove him the benifit of the dout, most of the time. so how are they to know there child is going to go out, steal and atv, and run it down the street at 70 mph? they dont!

i also blame the government for giving the cops heavy underpowered cars. if the cars were faster they could just pull along side the quad and push them over and force them to stop. then everyone wins, the kid is safe, the kid ran like he wanted to, and the cops pull him over.

 

LEP7mm,
I cant say it any better than you did and agree with you entirely.

BTW,
we are both DNR certified ATV Safety Instructors for our States.I am also Nationally certified with the ATV Safety Institute.

 

You guys are not hearing me!!!!

It is a fact not a fantasy that cops have accountability on their part. Why is there an investigation internally when a cop has to use deadly force? It is to question that cop’s judgment and to make sure the "criminal" was given every opportunity to give up peacefully and no other options, hear me no other options to the incident. That is the way it goes and is the law in America. If a lawyer can show a cop did not use good judgment and try every means possible to safely bring the person to justice then guess what they can be found liable.

People have said by not giving chase others would begin to run and get away. True if the cops abandon the chase and went home which is not what I am saying. I am saying abandon chase when the danger exceeds the crime and use other police tactics to locate and bring the suspect to justice. On the other hand if the cop’s judgment is not question the force they use would increase and increase until you have them shooting you in the leg for improper street crossing.

And for naïve parents as far as I remember, Jesus was the only prefect and all knowing humanly figure to walk the earth. If you claim you know EVERYTHING your child has done than you have just elevated your self to Jesus himself. If you also claim you kid would never do anything wrong then, they have just been elevated to Jesus as well and your family is blessed.

I have said and will re-state the KID was wrong for 1st violating the ATV law.
The PARENTS are at fought if and only if they KNOWINGLY let the kid violate the law.
The KID was wrong again for running.
The LAW was right to preserve justice.
The LAW also has the responsibility to determine if the danger elevation they are a part of is justified by the crime.
The COP has the option to resort to other very reliable measure to bring justice to this violator while reducing the danger of the situation.

In the scenario I disagree with the double standard of, "It’s unsafe for a rescue attempt" but seconds before it was plenty safe to give chase. There were ways to avoid the death and still bring the child to justice can any of you which none have not tell me how the chase was the only solution to this incident?

 

LEP7mm and MUDDY4LIFE why do we have IA departments in all law enforcement agencies if cops are not to be questioned on decision they make?

DNR certified ATV Safety Instructors has what to do with this subject? Oh yeah you were taught not to ride ATV's on thin ice and now are expected to teach others that.

 

Internal Affrairs Departement is to investagate if there are any wrong doings within the Department.Since I find no wrong doing on behalf of the officers you question,an IA investigation would not be neccessary IMO!

As certified and licensed ATV safety Instructors?We instruct the safe and responable use of ATVs to our students.Which would also include NOT running from Law Enforcement Officers,whether on ICE,Hills,Sand,Snow,Hardpack,or other various terrains.

 

LOL! Whatever man. I had the best role models you can imagine and I raised friggin hell when I was in high school. You can't lock your kids in a closet.

 

You need to review you IA Department purpose.

From the Memphis Police Department

“The purpose of the Internal Affairs Squad is to define responsibilities and establish procedures for sworn members of this department for dealing with observed or reported allegations of misconduct.
Internal Affairs investigates all complaints lodged against police personnel. These complaints can range from verbal abuse to brutality. The majority of these complaints fall under three categories: Personal Conduct, Use of Force and Arrest, and Duty Performance.”

Are you arguing if a safer solution existed in the listed scenario the officer should ignore that? I hope as a “Certified Safety” instructor you are not arguing that. If so I would not want you teaching my child safety.

My argument has never been whether the 14yr old should be let go or that the officers should not punish him. My argument all along and is actually being implemented across the US is that officers should evaluate the chase and determine if the danger meets the crime and if they believe they can bring the suspect to justice in another way the chase should be abandoned. I argue with 1000’s of law officers that actually do this for a living the chase should continue if it is the only solution.

Again no one has explained how the chase was the only solution in this case. I have given several options for the officers if the chase had been abandoned. No one has said either if it were their “Perfect” child they would openly praise the job the officers did and blame the immature 14yr old decision while looking down at their dead son or daughter and are thankful to the officer for the JOB well done.

 

BB your nutz. siding with the huligans. it was their desicion to set the whole spin underway. if you dont run they dont chase and you deal with consequences eitherway. If the police choose to chase they have every right to. If the dumbass crashes and dies, His own dam fault. coulda been avoided if he made a better choice. Sucks he had to make poor descisions and abandon his family like that.