Another Cop Bites the Dust!!!!!

Old Dec 2, 2004 | 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
I also stand FIRM with my decision that this entire incident is NOT the Police's fault and that they were indeed doing their job.

I dont know about Georgia,but Michigan law does NOT restrict officers from chases based on how major or minor a giving crime may be.If you RUN from a law enforcement officer and in the process,get injured or injure someone else,its YOUR fault,PERIOD!In fact,its a FELONY in Michigan to run,whether you are in a car/truck OR ATV,no matter how small the infraction may be!

I dont like your discreationary law that may find an officer at fault for an incident like the one that happened to this kid.The kid ran,he paid a severe price for it too.Cops just did their J.O.B!--We start letting folks run and not chasing them down,and pretty soon,everyone thinks they can have a field day with running because the cops wont chase them.And I GAUREENTEE you,this will not be good for society.

DONT RUN--and we dont have this conversation.
I not questioning the duty of cops and in Georgia officers can still ditch a high speed suspect but recently charges are beginning to be filled and are sticking for excessive use of force. I am asking that persons use a little logic for the situation. There are ways to still apprehend and prosecute people who break the law why not use some of those tactics.
Do you think the store clerk recognized the kid who is probably a local around there?

Could the police get identification and serve the citation at the child’s house.

Could this same kid be prosecuted with out pushing this kid to further endanger himself?

If you answer yes or possibly yes to any of the above question you have to question the logic behind the chase.

To support chase at no cost are you wiser and more knowledgeable on the issue than the 1000’s of LAW ENFORCEMENT agencies around the US that admit and recognize a problem exist with giving chase?

 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 02:47 PM
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BIG BLACK-----Exactly WHERE does your logic stop?

When a law enforcement officer is on a runaway pursuit of another ATV [or even a vehicle],he/she has NO IDEA WHO/WHAT is behind the helmet on the ATV.He does NOT know if the kid is 15yrs old OR 45 yrs old?He does NOT know if the runaway is packing a weapon,drugs,or maybe a convicted felon,wanted in 2 States?

You run,you lose-IMO!
 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 02:51 PM
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Logic?
the kid could have chosen NOT to RUN!And we would'nt be having this goofy conversation.

Thats the LOGIC part of my conversation.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
..We start letting folks run and not chasing them down,and pretty soon,everyone thinks they can have a field day with running because the cops wont chase them...
You have misunderstood me, I did not say let them get away with it. Many times in a chase the first few seconds is enough time to gather enough information to later identify the suspect. Let’s abandon the chase and find and prosecute them later.



 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
BIG BLACK-----Exactly WHERE does your logic stop?

When a law enforcement officer is on a runaway pursuit of another ATV [or even a vehicle],he/she has NO IDEA WHO/WHAT is behind the helmet on the ATV.He does NOT know if the kid is 15yrs old OR 45 yrs old?He does NOT know if the runaway is packing a weapon,drugs,or maybe a convicted felon,wanted in 2 States?

You run,you lose-IMO!
He does not know and it is not even a considerable thought for the officer to have. He was chasing the suspect because he was operating a ATV improperly. That does not justify death.

Again do you have more info than LAW ENFORCEMENT agencies around the US that say themselves that chase should be abandoned when the danger exceeds the crime?
 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
Logic?
the kid could have chosen NOT to RUN!And we would'nt be having this goofy conversation.

Thats the LOGIC part of my conversation.
How many 14yr olds do you know that make rational decisions?

Again he(the 14yr old) should be cited but there are other ways to handle then to purposely run this kid on thin ice.
 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by: sweetquads
If a 15 year old is riding his ATV down the street and decides to run from the cops and gets hurt or worse, even dies. Dont blame the cops. Blame the parents!
Not blaming the cops for his misdoing just expressing what (again) 1000's of law enforcement agencies are also expressing. Chase should be abandoned when the danger exceeds the crime. Use other alternatives to apprehend the suspect.

The parents cannot be the blame unless they are proven to be aware of this kid’s wrong doing.

I remember sneaking out of the house at night were my parents the blame, no

I remember going places on my 3-Wheeler (oops dated myself) I was not suppose to, were my parents the blame, no


 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by: sweetquads
If a 15 year old is riding his ATV down the street and decides to run from the cops and gets hurt or worse, even dies. Dont blame the cops. Blame the parents!
I would expect you to be the first on TV to state if you were this kid's parents, "Well little sweetquad jr had it coming and I commend the police for their effort to take this severe criminal off the road and I apologize to the officers for the danger he put them in by making them give chase, the little jerk just gave all ATV'ers a bad name."

And then you read of Police Chiefs around the US explain alternatives to giving chase and still say, "Well he got what he deserved and I would not prefer those alternatives to what happened and I am satisfied with the job preformed by our outstanding police, they are so great in taking these little jerks of the road so the rest of us can enjoy the sport because we NEVER inappreciably operate our ATV."
 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 03:09 PM
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...the police don't want to stop chasing people...
One of the largest police forces in the nation does. The L.A. police department enacted a no chase policy in 99.

Las Vegas in 2003

For just a couple of big agencies.


 
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by: sweetquads
I remember going places on my 3-Wheeler (oops dated myself) I was not suppose to, were my parents the blame, no
yes they were. Being a parent is not always easy. Sometimes it means you actually have to get to know your child. Your parents should have known weather or not you were the type of kid who was going to sneak out of the house and taken some measures to prevent it.
And BTW the police don't want to stop chasing people. They want to avoid the lawsuits after the criminal dies or gets hurt from the criminals parents or spouse.
I was a very good kid. I made good grades, all the teachers wrote home letters of my great behavior, I was polite and courteous to everyone never question my parents and their decisions but I was still a teenager. If I had got caught then my image could have been shattered. I did get in trouble from time to time for minor things like talking in class, and typical kid stuff but nothing major that would indicate any problems.

At 16 I got pulled over 1 or 2 times speeding 68 in a 55 and 56 in a 45 and pulled over and the officer let me go with a warning. Mainly due to the respect I gave him. Yes Sir, No Sir, etc… I took both of those warnings to my parents apologized and had my keys taken for a given time, longer the second.

I always have accepted my punishment and from actions as above my parents trusted and had great belief in my innocent behavior which for the most part was an accurate belief.

So how could they have suspected I would sneak out (really only a couple of times) and go places I shouldn’t? They had from seeing and hearing a greatly behaved child. They were not at fault.

When your kids do something I am positive you will publicly apologize for not being a good parent and knowing every thought in their mind to prevent such actions.

 
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