chime #2,

Smoking weed is illegal, personally it is not for me yet from what i've seen it doesn't make you want to "punch out pig cops" or inable you to control things you should be able to do like balance and clear speach. I am 21, legal age to drink and I will go out and have a few with my friends yet I would rather see someone smoke alot of weed instead of drinking until they blackout and cause harm to themselves and others. I don't in anyway condone doing drugs or smoking weed. Just as far as I am concerned if you are gonna categorize weed as a drug you need to put alcohol and cigarettes in there too because imo they are worse or at least more addicting. I am not promoting or saying any of this should be promoted on an atv site, I just think that because certain things are deemed illegal in this country and because they are "illegal" some people think that they are way worse then they really are. Like I said in my previous post being a "pothead" is a lifestyle and a personal choice. It will stop you from getting certain jobs and other things, but that is the individuals choice.

As far as weedman is concerned, though I have never actually met him he seems like a respectable person who has respect for others opinions. Also, I have asked questions concerning why we are all here ATV'ing and he has given me a good sincere answer to my question. As far as him pictures are concerned I guess they shouldn't neccesarily be on a "family atv site" yet I don't think he should be ridiculed for them. I guess I am up to 4 cents since I already put 2 in the other day.

 

The problem I have with all of this is that the weedman has been made the bad guy. I think it is because no one wants to ridiclule the owners/moderators of this site. Every picture that he posted was approved by some one. He didnt sneak anything past anyone. I personally would not have approved them, but that was not my job. I do not post in the same places as he does, but have seen his posts before, never went to his gallery. I have sent him a pm during this though. He seems to be more reasonable and open minded than few of the people trashing him here.

 

Weedman I never intended for you to be a target. Some of the pics I was talking about were in your gallery but I tried not to mention any names. I agree with the ones that said it was very mature of you to remove them since they offended some of us and I now have more respect for you. I have noticed that most of the bad topics like about cops and drugs have been made by younger folks but I am in no way saying they are the only ones that cause trouble. The older generation does their part too. I just hope this site can keep clean and stay focused on atv's and not get screwed up like some other sites have. ATV connection has always been a great site to come to just to visit other riders, meet new friends and get valued help and info for free. It's a great site for young and old to find help with atv problems that would usually cost them $$$ but is free here. I have to disagree about rocking the boat. I don't like rocking the boat any more than the other person but sometimes you have to. There are times that you have to bring up the bad to get it fixed. It's kinda like a wound, you have to give it attention to make it better if not it will only fester and get worse. I hope I haven't stired up a wasp nest here. I know this can get to be a touchy subject but if we keep our emotions in check and handle this without getting into a flaming war it should all come out good.

 

REMOVE QUESTIONABLE PISTURES IS MY HUMBLE VOTE. TONGUE IN CHEEK REFERENCES ARE OKAY. BLATENT IS NOT. I REGARED THIS AS A FAMILY SITE=PICTURES, TOPICS.
AND YOU CAN TELL WHAT "CAMP" I AM FROM.

MY VOTE IS FOR "CLEAN". PLENTY OF "NOT CLEAN" ELSWHERE ON THE OLD WWW!

 

My vote is dont worry about it. When your kids get to highschool they are going to see people drink till they need medical attention and they are going to have friends who take bong hits every day before school. If you see somthing you think is questionable like they said let the moderators review it. do you know how many pictures they must view every day on this site? you cant expect them to be perfect. I feel they do a fine job of watching the pictures while not inhibiting our freedom of expression and allowing us to display our personalities through our pages.

I agree with whoever said that if you want to clasify weed as a drug then alchohol and tobbacco have to be as well. Drug problems arent getting any worse in america we have consistently been a nation of people who like to get in an altered state. settlers drank beer with dinner every night starting at age 13. George Washington grew pot on his farm. Southerners have been making moonshine all of the 1900s and before. For some reason pot has become less accepted. the only reason it was outlawed in the first place was a combination of factors. First of all, the only people smoking it were black jazz artists and the prejudice people of the time outlawed it as a reason to hastle blacks. Secondly, Dupont, had just developed nylon (nylon ropes) and he was related to a high government official. Outlawing pot meant outlawing hemp which was the main source for woven rope at the time. By outlawing it dupont had a manopoly on strong rope production even though hemp rope is proven more durable and stronger then nylon. The mayflower sailed on hemp sails and ropes. The Constitution of the United States of America was written on hemp paper.

If we really wanted to "solve" the drug problem we would make it legal and take the hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars invested in paying for prison space of Drug offenders for simple pot offenses. The money on K9 units in small towns to bust a couple of kids smoking joints in their cars and the likes. If we spent that money in our continually weakening american public education system and educated our kids on the reasons not to smoke it would be much better. Im only 19 i havent smoked in a while but I used to be a regular pot smoker. So all you older people like Texas Psycho...Did you smoke when you were a teenager. and dont give me that times were different line because thats not true at all. Im not Saying kids should smoke but illegal or legal its still going to happen and all the people that want to smoke will smoke it either way so instead of pissing away money on bothering them why dont we just let them do what they were already doing and spend our money on something productive like education or giving teachers the salaries they deserve.

Somebody said that all these drugs and drug deals people are getting beat up and shot and stabbed. hmmm, you know another time that happened. Yes the early 1900s during prohibition the mobsters were illegally selling alchohol, the drug of choice. People got shot and murdered people were bribed but people who wanted to drink still drank. They made it legal the same people drink that were before and people arent being harmed and cops can spend their times working on more important things like child molesters and murderers instead of some pothead who wants to smoke a joint and eat his Mcdonalds in peace

 

CTATV I'm not here to bash anyone or defend anyone but there is a dfference between smoking weed and drinking a beer. I don't personally drink but I have nothing against people who do as long as they do it responsably. I have been around many people that will have one beer after work and thats it. They are able to perform safely and although I would rather they not drive for an hour they are still able to safely operate a car. The thing with pot and I still remember this is that after one joint your mind is effected. You get the illusion your in control but all your motor functions are slowed down. Comparing to pot to tabaco, tabaco really doesn't do anything to the user except shorten their life, Something else I have had long talks with my kids about, but it's not going to cause a user to drive their car head on into another unless their messing with their lighter.
I don't know if I'm understanding your post right or not so if I'm wrong please correct me. It seems your saying just ignore the any questionable pics, or other words turn your back to them. How will turning a blind side to it ever help stop drug use? You mentioned how they will end up seeing this in high school which is true but don't you think if more people would get involved instead of turning the other way that there would be less of it in the schools. To many people don't want to get involved so they turn the other way and hope the next person will say something. Yes the drugs were their when I was in school but like I said before they were not as accepted as they are today so the users had to sneak around to smoke pot. Today instead of the users sneaking around it's the straight people hoping their not seen. Sounds kinda backwards to me. You mentioned that if we see something questionable let the moderators know, weel by everyone speaking up it sends a stronger message than if only one person says something, just like it should be in sociaty. This is an extreme example but if someone opened a XXX book store in your community where a lot of kids lived would you say just ignore it or would you speak up? I know this is way different than drugs but it is still something you wouldn't want your kids exposed to just like drugs. My point is I know the drug issue is and has been in our sociaty but it's still my part as a parent to try and help keep my kids from being exposed to it. Some have said that my kids will be exposed to it eventually which is true. But that doesn't mean I should try and do my part to protect them as long as I can and teach them to stay away from the drugs. I trust my kids to make the right choices but still plan on doing my job as a parent the best I can. Like I've said several times already I'm not here to try and start a big arguement but I do feel the need to bring this out in the open.

 

First off, this isnt a thread for discussing the legality of drugs and thier use. Whether you like it or not Marijuana and other drugs like cocaine and ecstasy are illegal. Your views will not change the fact that possession and use of these substances will land you fines and jail time.

Making drugs legal will never "stop the drug problem". Alcohol and Tobacco, to use your own examples, are abused everday by millions of americans. Aren't two of these widespread legal addictions enough? Besides, its not like currently illegal substances are really ok for you and the govt just doesnt want you to have them, there are side effects that are just as bad and worse than alcohol and tobacco. But anyway...

So until your political agenda hits washington and these substances are made legal it doesnt matter how you or others feel about it. It's still illegal and should not be allowed to run rampant on a family oriented site.

 

Never heard of someone doing weed in moderation. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img]

Not everyone binge drinks. And, tobacco doesn't affect judgement or coordination while operation machinery. Not the same imo.

 

Texas, I wasnt saying turn a blind eye to the pics i was just responding to what somebody else said about how its the moderators fault. I understand your concern to protect your children. What makes children so special is their innocence and nievaty to so many of the horrible things that go on in our world and taking that away takes away what makes childhood so amazing.

Somebody can and i know many who do just smoke a bowl (a few puffs) and are just as ok as somebody who has a few beers on a saturday afternoon. yes in moderation. Not everybody always goes out and takes bong rips until they cant talk right. On the same note, i know girls who can drink two beers and be feeling a bit tipsy two beers is clearly not binge it is in moderation and it still affects their judgement.

Maddog... enlighten me on the side affects that are any worse then tobbaco or alchohol. im not saying smoking is good for you but its no worse then the two legal drugs. Pot also isnt physically addictive and it is imposibile to overdose. I wasnt condoning or discuraging pot im just saying that its hypocritical to put it in a different catigory then alcohol and tobbaco. if you said all three should be outlawed i would respect your opinion because none of them are healthy. Maddog another poorly thought out point,

"Making drugs legal will never "stop the drug problem". Alcohol and Tobacco, to use your own examples, are abused everday by millions of americans"

your right making it legal wont stop people from abusing it I never said it would. I simply said that reguarless of legality the same people would be doing it (which you just confirmed in your statement, thankyou for the support) I said why waste money on somthing that doesnt make a difference when it could be more productive being spent in other areas. you are encouraging crime and not really stopping anybody from getting it.

Raptor Legs. I agree that tobacco is different in that it doesnt affect your judgement on the same level as alchohol and pot. but you cant say that between the other two one is any less dangerous. Neither are "SAFE" to have consumed when your going to drive. all im saying is make both legal or both illegal. This is an ATV fourm so although i think people should be allowed to discuss it in the other topics area I agree it isnt nessisary to have obscine or blaitent pictures of the activities on the profiles.

 

Less dangerous to the user or the people around the user? I think that's the catch. jmo.