<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: sheepdogMSP8117

I was comparing the Liberty Twin to the V-twins of Can-Am, Kawasaki, and Arctic Cat.



At 55.4 hp, the Can-Am 650cc makes 5.3 more hp than the Polaris 800. Why? I'll bet is has something to do with cylinder configuration, a shorter stroke, overhead cam, more valves, higher compression ratio, and higher redline. Which brings me back to my claim that Polaris cannot do much more with the Liberty Twin to compete with current V-twins, except to add a turbo or supercharger.</end quote></div>

It's not all about hp what about torque????
The reason for all the big bore atvs is everyone wants more power but no one wants reduced reliability.

If you want a faster/more powerful atv with a small motor then come up with a better, more efficient drive system.(the current one is only about between 45 and 70% efficient) That would be better than a bigger motors IMHO [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Bgrdtruk

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: NoJoke

Are you saying the Polaris is 55.4 hp and the Can-Am is 60.7 hp?</end quote></div>
No, the Can-Am 650 has 55.4 hp, the Polaris 800 is less.

We were talking about power differences between the V-twin of Can-Am, and the Parallel twin of Polaris. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that the limits/power potential of a parallel twin cylinder pushrod 2-valve engine won't be as high as that of a V-twin with overhead cams and 4 valves. With RPM comes hp, I dont think that can really be argued.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: 4X4Terror

I want a 4X4 Outlaw under 500 pounds. That would rock! A 4x4 sport to compete with the Renegade.</end quote></div>

Me too, but I want mine with a CVT and linked brakes.

Or a lightened and updated Scrambler with IRS. The 500 HO has plenty of power for me.

Heck, I guess a less porky Sportsman with better shocks would work too.

 

Linked brakes? Why? Just curious, I would love to see an updated Scrammy or a 4x4 Outlaw, but seperate brakes. I can see some pl prefer single, but on a performance oriented machine? I dunno. Of course, I wouldn't mind the cvt...

I hope they offer a 500efi version as well, rumors are an 850, geez 500 would be fine if it had the efi and updated chassis/suspension. But it will be awhile before we see a performance 4x4 under 500lbs, if ever.

-Krait

 

The only disadvantage to linked brakes "FOR ME" is when I have to back down a hill, and I can count on one hand the times I have had to do that in 12 years. The advantages for me outweigh the disadvantages. I don't just like em, I love em.

 

I don't really like the linked brakes. I like the auto trans but want the lower weight and better power transfer. They could build a 4x4 that didn't weigh so much if they really wanted too. They would have a lot of taker I think. Look what people are willing to pay for a Renegade I like the Renegade but the price scares me, that is a lot of money for a quad. I like my Brute but I want something that weighs less and handles better. Someone will build one just waiting to see who it is.