HO on another forum you mentioned that the BH 2.0 didn't rob nearly as much power as the Mudlites did. I have the mudlites on my 850 and was curious as to how much difference you found. When I hear of how fast people get from 25mph to say 65 how much difference did you find from stock or the BH 2.0 in this range compared to the Mudlites. Not looking for an excuse in case I loose to a 800R
Dave

 

I don't have any kind of real data,I never did anything like a measured accleration test on the difference. I didn't run the stock tires very long at all before I put on the XTRs and don't recall noticing huge difference when I put on the XTRs. I guess I just didn't run the stockers enough to get used to the way they felt power wise...I had them off before she was even broke in. When I really noticed the difference was when I pulled the XTRs and put on the BHs after getting used to the XTRs. Felt like a different machine...it turned the tires with noticably less effort. With the XTRs it took more power getting them moving from a stop,climbing hills and accelerating..the XTRs made the machine feel more sluggish overall. Granted the 850 had no trouble turning them..but I could feel a difference in how easily it turned them.
If you lined up 2 identical 850s for a drag race,one with 2.0s and one with XTRs I know which my money would be on. The only thing that would change my pick is if there were racing in deep mud

Here are the weights for comparision...

MUD LITE XTR 27x9R-14 6 26.6
MUD LITE XTR 27x11R-14 6 33.3

BH 2.0 AT26X9R14 6 21.200
BH 2.0 AT26X11R14 6 27.200

 

Man it got awful quiet in here after I posted those comparison pics..lol
Seriously...Roofer...now do you see why I say the front suspension doesn't feel soft/saggy compared to the XP's? If anything it is stiffer. Which again,isn't really better in the technical stuff IMO...but the big deal/question seems to have been with my OPINION that it wasn't soft/saggy...does this put that to rest...or am I really missing something?

 

Here's one for you Roofer...maybe if my word isn't good enough his will be?

 

I will attest that the suspension on the 09-10 Outlander Max is very firm in it's stock settings. Mine is still stock and it's in the middle ( I will never adjust it any stiffer). I recently took my Wife's cousin for a ride. He is 6'3" and 270lbs...I am 6' and 220lbs. The machine handled like a dream. I did feel his size and weight slightly...but I was impressed. I let him drive, and I sat on the back for the very first time and couldn't believe how smooth it was. Of course, I was scared to death back there...but it was smooth. Even with the 2 of us the bike was still firm and planted, although we never tested high speed handling. I usually ride the rig on some paths and woods roads at my cabin...I ride it like it's a sport quad. For me the suspension is perfect. If I were into slow riding on very rough terrain, I would soften her up.

H.O.: You may want to put a Dalton ( 3 arms ) and Green/yellow sping ( primary )... If you feel the Bighorns. Mine is quicker than my buddies 800r Max with stock tires. I am running 27-9-12 and 27-12-12 Kenda Bear Claws and I have the Dalton installed ( 3 arms, no weights,green/yellow primary spring ). She wheelies alot easier as well.

 

Thanks for the info I definitely need to do some research,I always welcome better performance,but on this one I want to keep it mild mannered and I like the way the stock clutch engages...instantly and butter smooth...if I can keep that and get better performance then that would be great,if not I will just leave it alone. I think if I do anything it will be a QSC set up.

 

I think the XP is a little stiff with shocks at lowest settings and the bighorns with more than 5 psi. Really doesn't matter how stiff the suspension is, it's whether it dives in the corners or not and if it soaks up the bumps well.

I'd like to see more reviews and try one myself. There are plenty that went from the 08 or 09 Outty to the 850 and are happier with the 850, so.........

BTW, I don't think JeffOutty would ever buy anything but an Outlander. He has claimed since day one when he got that 07, that no one can beat him in a drag. Not sure about the rest of the people, but it was easy to blow off what he said sometimes.

 

I knew you would never admit it, maybe you jumped the gun a little?

The way I see it...the front end diving in corners is a function of suspension stiffness,or compression resitance while cornering, and a combination of a front end softer than the rear,ie compressing more that the rear while cornering, will cause front end dive...
Both front and rear being set up with the same stiffness will contribute to less dive,but if the suspension is soft overall,as with the XP,what you get is ROLL...ie the front and rear suspension compresses pretty much equally and the entire machine rolls in the corner,rather than just the front corner.
I'm no suspension engineer...and I realize that the right shock valving and progressive spring rates,caster and camber adjustments ect can do wonders for a suspension,I also realize that I wouldn't know where to start when setting up and ATV suspension. I would think good shock valving would be very important. Good shocks can be stiff under the compression rate of cornering,but less stiff during the instantaneous compression of hitting and obstacle at speed. Then there is rebound...ect
But it seems pretty simple to me,wihtout trying to get into it on an engineering level,which I can't do, that if the outside front suspension doesn't compress in a corner more than the rear suspension,then it can't be "diving". If the outside front suspension compresses more than the outside rear suspension in a corner/curve then you get dive. If both outside front and rear suspensions compress equally then you get "roll" No? And if you have 2 machines that roll and one has a "softer" suspension than the other,then one will roll more right? And before you bring up the "anti-roll" bar...the TTI has the same type feature built in.

I'm not arguing that people have went from the Outty to the XP and like the XP better....I don't think you know of "plenty" But anyway...remember this is all ride PREFERENCE thing. No doubt about it the XP does have a softer ride.....there is a reason the Sportsman is called the Caddy of ATVs...and the XP lives up to that tradition.....I never said it didn't. It does soak up bumps better as well...but the down side to that is at speed it tends to bounce and rock front to rear on bumps,and it contiunues to rock fore and aft after the bump is cleared compared to the Outty...think of an old car with worn out shocks...obviously not that extreme,but that is what I mean by continuing to rock. You feel the bumps less,but the down side is the bounciness,again an opinion. I prefer to give up a little of the plushness for the gluded to the trail feel. Others may prefer the plush soft ride. Both machines have suspension weaknesses...I guess that is why some guys buy $2000 shocks and springs for both machines.

I want you to answer me one question...truthfully...I am not trying to attack you,you are constantly questioning my credibilty on my OPNIONS,albeit in a round about way...so I think this is a fair question.
You never tried to rock that 2010 XT-P you sat on like you said you did,did you? You said you rocked it and it rolled horribly...
Come on and come clean....I am confident that you made that up...there is that much difference in the tightness of the suspension on the Outty and the XP... doesn't make the Outty better...but it does have a tigher feel...point is...why are you so deterrmined to make a point about my opinions that you have to make something up? And I am the one who can't be trusted to make a good decision?

Nothing wrong with seeing more reviews,by all means everyone should do as much research as possible. And of course...ride one for yourself...we can read other peoples opinions all day long day after day,IMO all that does for us is give us some idea of things we might want to look closer at when we actually go look at and test ride a machine.
You are trying to make this into somehting it wasn't...I never said "take my word for it sell your XP and go buy a new Outty" did I? Or that everyone with a XP would be happier with the Outty...did I say that? I said the the FRONT SUSPENSION IS NOT SOFT AND SAGGY on my 2010 Max...that is ALL I said and then you started this whole thing basically saying that I am too dumb to know what a soft and saggy front suspension feels like or that I am lying about it.

As for your last statement...I can understand that...that is one FAST 07 lol.


Yes I have some idle time on my hands this morning lol.

 

Yes, I did rock the machine and it felt the same as the previous years, but I don't have much experience with either. I remember saying after I took a look at the XTP that it was the same machine as 09, but with DPS. Kinda wish I would have taken a test ride now.

 

It looks like the XP has very good articulation. Also appears like it keeps the machine somewhat level and doesn't throw the rider.