Why buy American
#401
12-22-2005, 02:55 PM
Why buy American
The freedom we experience in the US comes at a price. Being hit in the wallet every now and again is minor compared to the price our military and their families are paying to offer our freedoms. Not just in Iraq. Do not forget Somalia, Panama, Iran and Afghanistan, where we still have a heavy concentration of troops who are still in harms way.
Actually if anything our military is effected by it since as our domestic product levels and trade imbalances etc continue to get worse it reduces the amount of avail $$$ that the govt can "make" avail for use in the military.
#402
12-22-2005, 10:32 PM
Why buy American
Heres a little known law, which was started by a democrat, to support jobs in america, and isnt getting any support from the current administration.
http://byrd.senate.gov/newsroom/news...oa_repeal.html
Republican Leadership Gives Heave-Ho to American Workers
Senator Byrd on Tuesday said that the Republican Congress and the White House have undercut working families in order to satisfy the World Trade Organization (WTO).
“The Republican Congressional Leadership and the Bush Administration have made it clear where they stand: They stand with foreign trade bureaucrats and not with the working people of this country who suffer from illegal foreign trade,” Byrd said.
Last week, the Senate voted overwhelmingly -- 71-20 -- to back the Continued Dumping and Subsidy Offset Act (CDSOA), more commonly called the Byrd Amendment. But, in the final budget package negotiated between the House and Senate Republican Leadership, the CDSOA is repealed after two years.
“CDSOA was enacted to restore conditions of fair trade, so that jobs that should stay in the United States are not destroyed by unfair foreign competition,” Byrd stated on Tuesday. “Now is the time to hold foreign unfair traders more accountable, not less! There is no need to repeal the law today, two years from now, or ever.”
“If our trading partners don’t like this trade law, the solution is not to repeal the law. If our trading partners are offended by the law, I have only two words for them: Stop dumping!” Byrd argued.
In 2000, Byrd won Congressional approval of the CDSOA. Under this law, after the federal government collects duties on products found to be unfairly subsidized or dumped in the U.S. market, those duties are then made available to U.S. companies and workers proved to be affected by unfair foreign trade practices. If foreign trade partners follow the rules that they negotiated with the United States, there are no negative consequences and no funds go to American companies; but if our foreign trade partners break those agreements, they must provide a remedy to American companies.
Weirton Steel, now part of Mittal Steel USA (Weirton), Warwood Tool Company (Wheeling), and TSF L.L.C. (Berkeley Springs) all have received funds thanks to the Byrd Amendment. Across the country, steel, lumber, wheat, shrimp, catfish, bearings, mushrooms, crawfish, pasta, furniture, and a long list of other industrial and agricultural producers stand to be reimbursed under the law for having suffered the negative effects of unfair trade practices for years.
However, the CDSOA was ruled by the World Trade Organization to be in violation of international trade agreements. Since that ruling, the Bush Administration has pressed the Congress to repeal the law. But Byrd and others argue that no trade agreement that the United States has joined prohibits the Byrd Amendment. Senators have expressed confidence that the Constitution does not allow an international entity to instruct the United States Congress on how funds can be distributed by the U.S. Treasury.
In response to the misguided WTO rulings, Byrd won Congressional approval of legislation instructing the Bush Administration to add the terms of the CDSOA to existing international trade agreements. Despite this Congressional directive’s being signed into law, the Bush Administration has failed substantively to address the CDSOA in trade talks.
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http://byrd.senate.gov/newsroom/news...oa_repeal.html
Republican Leadership Gives Heave-Ho to American Workers
Senator Byrd on Tuesday said that the Republican Congress and the White House have undercut working families in order to satisfy the World Trade Organization (WTO).
“The Republican Congressional Leadership and the Bush Administration have made it clear where they stand: They stand with foreign trade bureaucrats and not with the working people of this country who suffer from illegal foreign trade,” Byrd said.
Last week, the Senate voted overwhelmingly -- 71-20 -- to back the Continued Dumping and Subsidy Offset Act (CDSOA), more commonly called the Byrd Amendment. But, in the final budget package negotiated between the House and Senate Republican Leadership, the CDSOA is repealed after two years.
“CDSOA was enacted to restore conditions of fair trade, so that jobs that should stay in the United States are not destroyed by unfair foreign competition,” Byrd stated on Tuesday. “Now is the time to hold foreign unfair traders more accountable, not less! There is no need to repeal the law today, two years from now, or ever.”
“If our trading partners don’t like this trade law, the solution is not to repeal the law. If our trading partners are offended by the law, I have only two words for them: Stop dumping!” Byrd argued.
In 2000, Byrd won Congressional approval of the CDSOA. Under this law, after the federal government collects duties on products found to be unfairly subsidized or dumped in the U.S. market, those duties are then made available to U.S. companies and workers proved to be affected by unfair foreign trade practices. If foreign trade partners follow the rules that they negotiated with the United States, there are no negative consequences and no funds go to American companies; but if our foreign trade partners break those agreements, they must provide a remedy to American companies.
Weirton Steel, now part of Mittal Steel USA (Weirton), Warwood Tool Company (Wheeling), and TSF L.L.C. (Berkeley Springs) all have received funds thanks to the Byrd Amendment. Across the country, steel, lumber, wheat, shrimp, catfish, bearings, mushrooms, crawfish, pasta, furniture, and a long list of other industrial and agricultural producers stand to be reimbursed under the law for having suffered the negative effects of unfair trade practices for years.
However, the CDSOA was ruled by the World Trade Organization to be in violation of international trade agreements. Since that ruling, the Bush Administration has pressed the Congress to repeal the law. But Byrd and others argue that no trade agreement that the United States has joined prohibits the Byrd Amendment. Senators have expressed confidence that the Constitution does not allow an international entity to instruct the United States Congress on how funds can be distributed by the U.S. Treasury.
In response to the misguided WTO rulings, Byrd won Congressional approval of legislation instructing the Bush Administration to add the terms of the CDSOA to existing international trade agreements. Despite this Congressional directive’s being signed into law, the Bush Administration has failed substantively to address the CDSOA in trade talks.
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#403
12-22-2005, 11:15 PM
Why buy American
Hondabuster
You are looking to senator Byrd for unbiased reporting of facts? How can you listen to anything a former Grand Keagle for the KKK has to say? Yes, it is true. Senator Robert Byrd held the 2nd highest office in the Ku Klux Klan. If former House Majority Leader Trent Lott is a bigot for having supported segregation, what does that make Byrd?
Besides, even if you set aside the fact that Byrd wore a white sheet while burning crosses, the CDSOA was a federal law. Most of the heavy taxing that drives businesses to move production out of the country is done on the state level.
I still can't believe you posted something from that Aryan wanna-be's site. Very funny.
You are looking to senator Byrd for unbiased reporting of facts? How can you listen to anything a former Grand Keagle for the KKK has to say? Yes, it is true. Senator Robert Byrd held the 2nd highest office in the Ku Klux Klan. If former House Majority Leader Trent Lott is a bigot for having supported segregation, what does that make Byrd?
Besides, even if you set aside the fact that Byrd wore a white sheet while burning crosses, the CDSOA was a federal law. Most of the heavy taxing that drives businesses to move production out of the country is done on the state level.
I still can't believe you posted something from that Aryan wanna-be's site. Very funny.
#404
12-22-2005, 11:20 PM
Why buy American
Yes, there are trade imbalances. However, there are many other things that burden the tax base of our country much more than our current trade situation. Welfare for example. NY has so many welfare "lifers" it drives the tax base through the roof. It would be far easier and far more lucrative to get the deadbeats off of welfare than to negotiate new trade agreements with oppressive socialist countries like China.
#406
12-22-2005, 11:30 PM
#407
12-23-2005, 12:03 AM
Why buy American
Are there any politicians that are fair and balanced?
So youre gonna ignore facts because you dont like the guy? If hitler said 2+2=4, you would stop believeing that its true?
Sometimes we need to set aside our hatered of one another and start believing the facts. It doesnt matter who said what was said...its the message not the personallity. Try to argue what the point is or isnt...not who said it.
What did he say that was untrue? Isnt it a shame that someone like him ...is trying to protect american jobs.
So youre gonna ignore facts because you dont like the guy? If hitler said 2+2=4, you would stop believeing that its true?
Sometimes we need to set aside our hatered of one another and start believing the facts. It doesnt matter who said what was said...its the message not the personallity. Try to argue what the point is or isnt...not who said it.
What did he say that was untrue? Isnt it a shame that someone like him ...is trying to protect american jobs.
#408
12-23-2005, 03:06 AM
#409
12-23-2005, 05:10 AM
Why buy American
Ive highlited the facts....care to provide any facts of your own? Whats incorect? Whats a lie?
How could someone be pro america AND be against this ?
Is it better to have china and india dump products in the usa, with out a fair challenge? Is it better to have money and jobs go overseas, and not fight the trend? They set up quotas and duties on our goods...but we're not allowed to respond in kind?
Originally posted by: hondabuster
Heres a little known law, which was started by a democrat, to support jobs in america, and isnt getting any support from the current administration.
http://byrd.senate.gov/newsroom/news...oa_repeal.html
Republican Leadership Gives Heave-Ho to American Workers
Senator Byrd on Tuesday said that the Republican Congress and the White House have undercut working families in order to satisfy the World Trade Organization (WTO).
“The Republican Congressional Leadership and the Bush Administration have made it clear where they stand: They stand with foreign trade bureaucrats and not with the working people of this country who suffer from illegal foreign trade,” Byrd said.
Last week, the Senate voted overwhelmingly -- 71-20 -- to back the Continued Dumping and Subsidy Offset Act (CDSOA), more commonly called the Byrd Amendment. But, in the final budget package negotiated between the House and Senate Republican Leadership, the CDSOA is repealed after two years.
“CDSOA was enacted to restore conditions of fair trade, so that jobs that should stay in the United States are not destroyed by unfair foreign competition,” Byrd stated on Tuesday. “Now is the time to hold foreign unfair traders more accountable, not less! There is no need to repeal the law today, two years from now, or ever.”
“If our trading partners don’t like this trade law, the solution is not to repeal the law. If our trading partners are offended by the law, I have only two words for them: Stop dumping!” Byrd argued.
In 2000, Byrd won Congressional approval of the CDSOA. Under this law, after the federal government collects duties on products found to be unfairly subsidized or dumped in the U.S. market, those duties are then made available to U.S. companies and workers proved to be affected by unfair foreign trade practices. If foreign trade partners follow the rules that they negotiated with the United States, there are no negative consequences and no funds go to American companies; but if our foreign trade partners break those agreements, they must provide a remedy to American companies.
Weirton Steel, now part of Mittal Steel USA (Weirton), Warwood Tool Company (Wheeling), and TSF L.L.C. (Berkeley Springs) all have received funds thanks to the Byrd Amendment. Across the country, steel, lumber, wheat, shrimp, catfish, bearings, mushrooms, crawfish, pasta, furniture, and a long list of other industrial and agricultural producers stand to be reimbursed under the law for having suffered the negative effects of unfair trade practices for years.
However, the CDSOA was ruled by the World Trade Organization to be in violation of international trade agreements. Since that ruling, the Bush Administration has pressed the Congress to repeal the law. But Byrd and others argue that no trade agreement that the United States has joined prohibits the Byrd Amendment. Senators have expressed confidence that the Constitution does not allow an international entity to instruct the United States Congress on how funds can be distributed by the U.S. Treasury.
In response to the misguided WTO rulings, Byrd won Congressional approval of legislation instructing the Bush Administration to add the terms of the CDSOA to existing international trade agreements. Despite this Congressional directive’s being signed into law, the Bush Administration has failed substantively to address the CDSOA in trade talks.
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Heres a little known law, which was started by a democrat, to support jobs in america, and isnt getting any support from the current administration.
http://byrd.senate.gov/newsroom/news...oa_repeal.html
Republican Leadership Gives Heave-Ho to American Workers
Senator Byrd on Tuesday said that the Republican Congress and the White House have undercut working families in order to satisfy the World Trade Organization (WTO).
“The Republican Congressional Leadership and the Bush Administration have made it clear where they stand: They stand with foreign trade bureaucrats and not with the working people of this country who suffer from illegal foreign trade,” Byrd said.
Last week, the Senate voted overwhelmingly -- 71-20 -- to back the Continued Dumping and Subsidy Offset Act (CDSOA), more commonly called the Byrd Amendment. But, in the final budget package negotiated between the House and Senate Republican Leadership, the CDSOA is repealed after two years.
“CDSOA was enacted to restore conditions of fair trade, so that jobs that should stay in the United States are not destroyed by unfair foreign competition,” Byrd stated on Tuesday. “Now is the time to hold foreign unfair traders more accountable, not less! There is no need to repeal the law today, two years from now, or ever.”
“If our trading partners don’t like this trade law, the solution is not to repeal the law. If our trading partners are offended by the law, I have only two words for them: Stop dumping!” Byrd argued.
In 2000, Byrd won Congressional approval of the CDSOA. Under this law, after the federal government collects duties on products found to be unfairly subsidized or dumped in the U.S. market, those duties are then made available to U.S. companies and workers proved to be affected by unfair foreign trade practices. If foreign trade partners follow the rules that they negotiated with the United States, there are no negative consequences and no funds go to American companies; but if our foreign trade partners break those agreements, they must provide a remedy to American companies.
Weirton Steel, now part of Mittal Steel USA (Weirton), Warwood Tool Company (Wheeling), and TSF L.L.C. (Berkeley Springs) all have received funds thanks to the Byrd Amendment. Across the country, steel, lumber, wheat, shrimp, catfish, bearings, mushrooms, crawfish, pasta, furniture, and a long list of other industrial and agricultural producers stand to be reimbursed under the law for having suffered the negative effects of unfair trade practices for years.
However, the CDSOA was ruled by the World Trade Organization to be in violation of international trade agreements. Since that ruling, the Bush Administration has pressed the Congress to repeal the law. But Byrd and others argue that no trade agreement that the United States has joined prohibits the Byrd Amendment. Senators have expressed confidence that the Constitution does not allow an international entity to instruct the United States Congress on how funds can be distributed by the U.S. Treasury.
In response to the misguided WTO rulings, Byrd won Congressional approval of legislation instructing the Bush Administration to add the terms of the CDSOA to existing international trade agreements. Despite this Congressional directive’s being signed into law, the Bush Administration has failed substantively to address the CDSOA in trade talks.
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#410
12-23-2005, 05:30 AM
Why buy American
Originally posted by: Fahq
What facts did that article give? Explain to me how Bigot, er, Byrd is protecting jobs?
Yes, if Hitler told me 2+2=4, I would question it. I would be negligent if I did not question a genocidal maniac.
What facts did that article give? Explain to me how Bigot, er, Byrd is protecting jobs?
Yes, if Hitler told me 2+2=4, I would question it. I would be negligent if I did not question a genocidal maniac.
I only have first hand experience with a couple of the products listed, but not only has this law allowed some very large well known names in mfg to stay in businsess it has also allowed the us military to actually have US companies and mfg to support various types of machinery. For a while the US had to look to companies in Ger or Jap for specific machine tool items, and bearings that were no longer avail in the US due to unfair trade practices forcing the US companies out of business.
One other side benefit has been that US production quality has also improved greatly over the time this act has existed.
One last thing that I have found confusing. So many get excited with the mere mention of the name Adolf Hitler, and I guess I can emphasize with this, but from what I have heard and read most refer to him as being insane or a madman, but all the accurate history I have seen points to his becoming mentally impaired or insane towards the end of his life and near the end of the war. Would that mean that he was not insane during the other times, and that he could have been the master mind that so many had referred to him as for almost conquering all of europe and asia? I dont have the answers, and that was more of a question than statement.