i think you all are rite ..dw kinda lets the z win in every mag.in one mag it says the quad has elbow snapping tourqe..the next mag says it need a little more tourqe..make up your mind ..i have a z and i love it ...fitts me fine for what i do with it ..good price to with reverse and liquid cooled ...but i dont think it is the best quad you can buy rite now...everyone has there own opion..and everyone rides different ...qet the quad you like ride it and have funn!!!!!!no matter what the mags say..besides your the one paying for the thing ..not DW..i bet if they had to but one it wouldnt be a z ...