Originally posted by: maddog56
pxman, i sigh and now feel sorry for you. I have raced more z's than i can count on my stock raptor. The only one that has ever beaten me had a 440 kit, but the rest of them were stock or had minor changes done to them. I have done this on ashphalt, sand, hillclimbs, and the like. I believe that you may be sore that your stock quad cant beat any other stock 400cc + quad aside from the 400ex. The point of this post is to help this man make a purchase. Therefore, in light of the amount of money this man will be spending, it is our job to give him ACCURATE information. I challenge you to make these statements in the suzuki forum. You will not recieve unillateral support. It is possible you ran into a rider on a raptor who cannot beat you, this is somewhat common. If you were to switch quads, you would see that stock vs stock, you would have won on the raptor. Please dont make this matter into a flame, we can discuss this without going off the handle.

Originally posted by: maddog56
my cousin's 97 blaster, bored 30 over with a pipe can keep up with the raptor through the raptor's second gear, but that doesnt make them equal. When the race is more than 100 feet long, the raptor simply pulls away, regardless of the terrain. I raced ice this winter, and no z400 could keep up with my still stock raptor. i have no engine or perfomance mods, just a front sprocket change. The z is an excellent quad. It is easily superior to the ex, but it beats out the ex about the same as a raptor beats it. The new predator can reportedly finish neck and neck or better with raptors and ds 650's, and it only has 500cc's. Now that is a displacement question you can talk about. A z with a slip on pipe is about equal to a stock raptor, give or take a few exceptions.