<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy

If you click on the view pic link, they look like the new pattern: http://shop.cedarrapidstire.co...TV&beadsize=20-10.00-9



They might have some old ones in stock though. I wonder why they changed such a good thing?</end quote></div>

Maybe the new ones are better?

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: 86LT230S

Well I started her, let her run for like 20 mins to warm up. Sounds like the idle is a little high, not bad though. But it is STILL Backfiring/popping. I also printed that diagram for the carb and took it out for comparison to mine, I think I have a different carb? It says Minkuni or something like that on the choke lever side. And the Pilot jet screw is not there on this one? Could I Have moisture in the gas? I was gonna grab some "heat" from the car parts store, good or bad? And I had to pull it behind a car to start it. It is about 15-20 degrees here. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks again!@</end quote></div>

Unless you had moisture in the gas when you got it, the cold shouldn't be a problem. Mine started this past weekend when it was -15 F. The stock carb is a Mikuni but I can't tell you exatly what model right now.

Does you kick starter not work or do you just pull it to spare yourself the hassle of kicking?

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: 86LT230S

Well I started her, let her run for like 20 mins to warm up. Sounds like the idle is a little high, not bad though. But it is STILL Backfiring/popping. I also printed that diagram for the carb and took it out for comparison to mine, I think I have a different carb? It says Minkuni or something like that on the choke lever side. And the Pilot jet screw is not there on this one? Could I Have moisture in the gas? I was gonna grab some "heat" from the car parts store, good or bad? And I had to pull it behind a car to start it. It is about 15-20 degrees here. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks again!@</end quote></div>

Here is Bike Bandit's diagram for the 86 Carb. It was listed under the 86 model even though the pic says 230SJ on the bottom when it should be a G.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: atvman29

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy



If you click on the view pic link, they look like the new pattern: http://shop.cedarrapidstire.co...TV&beadsize=20-10.00-9







They might have some old ones in stock though. I wonder why they changed such a good thing?</end quote></div>



Maybe the new ones are better?</end quote></div>

Nah. That one big "scoop" in the center is what I was going for with my kendas. I can slide sideways, but have a lot of launch out of a corner. The tire has more forward grip than sideways in loose soil. And on hard pack, I'm likely trying to break the tires loose more than I'm trying to get them to stick.

There used to be a show on discovery call JunkYard Wars. One episode they built tractor pullers and had some high-profile tractor pulling guy there to give them pointers. He said there's two ways to get traction. 1) Spin the tires really slow to maximize friction. 2) Spin tires really fast and throw a lot of dirt... The thrust of the dirt will propel you forward just like any other thrust. Anyway, one team built a tractor with wheels that turned really slow, and the other with wheels that turned super fast. One couldn't out pull the other.... They were perfectly balanced! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

So, in loose soil on a sport quad, what's the best way to get traction? I figured by throwing as much dirt as possible. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: 86LT230S

Well I started her, let her run for like 20 mins to warm up. Sounds like the idle is a little high, not bad though. But it is STILL Backfiring/popping. I also printed that diagram for the carb and took it out for comparison to mine, I think I have a different carb? It says Minkuni or something like that on the choke lever side. And the Pilot jet screw is not there on this one? Could I Have moisture in the gas? I was gonna grab some "heat" from the car parts store, good or bad? And I had to pull it behind a car to start it. It is about 15-20 degrees here. Let me know what you guys think! Thanks again!@</end quote></div>

Did you change plugs yet?

When you said your screws were on the kickstart side I figured you had a different carb.

If the screw is on the engine side of the carb, it is a pilot/fuel screw. If the screw is on the other side, its an air screw. The screw with the spring on the ouside is the idle speed screw.

Not sure what heat is. Never used it. I can't know if you have water in your gas though. I guess anything is possible.

 

ATVman29, Thanks for the pic of the carb. I think its the same as the one Randy sent me. The Kick-Start works, but yeah I got tired of kicking, and it literally starts on the first drop of the clutch behind the car so.....But when the weather was warmer it starts easier. I am 99.9% sure now that the gas has water in it. The stuff I mentioned called "Heat" is a product you can buy at any parts store and even Wal-Mart. It goes in the gas and chemically bonds with the water to vaporize it. Works pretty well, and so i added it to the existing gas, and there was an immediate difference. Less popping/backfiring, but it was still happening. It would run out in a straight line, with noticeable power loss, then all of the sudden it would like kick a power band in to finish the gear out with. It was like there was a piece of ice keeping gas at a slow flow, then it would melt and free up for a second, and then another piece would plug it back up. So tomorrow I am gonna drain the gas, add a little more heat+Octane Boost for a little Quad-Cocktail. The plug is still on the gray-white side, and dry when I take it out. Ok all, lets hear the words-o-wisdom!

 

Do like I said earlier and move the needle up (clip down) a notch or two. #14 in the pic. Its easy. I used to fool with the needle on the side of the trail while waiting for everyone to catch up. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

Just don't loose the e-clip! I lost 3 in a row before. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

 

So will moving that require moving anything out of the way? What tools are used? Can you explain the procedure?

 

Take the clamps loose at the front and back of the carb. Pull the fuel line, vent hose, and drain hose off. Rotate the carb to gain access to the top of it. Unscrew the cover/lid/cap (whatever) inbetween 3 and 5 in the pic. Pull the slide out. Gather up the big spring with your fingers of one hand while you hold the slide with the other. Compress the spring all the way and hold it compressed with a finger and thumb. You can now remove the cable from the slide and get the needle out. Or you may be able to get the needle out without taking the slide out. Whatever works for you. Once the needle is out, push the clip against a part of the quad frame and the clip should snap off, but hopefully not fly across the garage (hold a finger over it to keep it from flying). Move the clip down a notch or two.... Your call. Use the frame again to push the clip until it snaps in place. Put it all back together and see what you think.

Tools: A regular flat screwdriver and a philips.

 

Did you change the plug yet? I've seen plugs that look clean, pass the spark test by putting the plug in the boot and holding it against the jug, and have no logical reason why it should be bad go right into the trash can because it just didn't run as good as a new one. I don't know how many times I almost tore into a carb when the plug was the problem. I'm beginning to wonder just how good NGK plugs really are.