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So, can anyone answer this question for me? What has brp done for the atv industry?>>>>>

Visco loc 4WD-innovative
TTI IRS-innovative
DESS anti theft
Inboard disc brakes-innovative.
Rotax engines
Previous models featured such things as a step through design, a radiator located in the back, rather then the front of the ATV to help protect it. \

The DS650 wins endurance races on a routine basis, Polaris doesn't even bother to show up, I wonder why? You notice how many Outlanders are showing up on the racing circuits?

You've got a head full of marbles if you think the only thing BRP brings to the table is speed.

 

Visco Loc 4wd = a sad design that works horribly and they tried to copy Polaris.
TTI IRS = While being innovative, its still not as plush at Polaris.
DESS Anti Theft = An allright design, but who really cares about that.
Inboard Disc Brakes = Disc brakes are disc brakes, i've never had a problems with mine and they stop on the dime.
Rotax Engines = Pretty much all BRP has to bring to the table.

So techincally BRP only has speed. They have some innovative designs, but some are pointless, and some just arent as good as others. And we were talking about Utilities, not Sport Quads, But if you want to talk sport quads, just wait on the 525 Outlaw, it will smoke the DS anyday.

 

So techincally BRP only has speed. They have some innovative designs, but some are pointless, and some just arent as good as others. And we were talking about Utilities, not Sport Quads, But if you want to talk sport quads, just wait on the 525 Outlaw, it will smoke the DS anyday.
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Maybe some day Polaris will show up at Dakkar or Baja......

The poster asked what BRP has brought to the table........Inboard brakes serve a few purposes, first, I've never ridden anything that stops like them, secondly being inboard they are easier to service and don't get as dirty as traditonal disc brakes located at the wheels causing the pads and rotors to last longer, easier to clean as well.

Visco-Loc-Only locks four wheels when needed with nothing required by the rider, this particular technology is only available on BRP ATV's.

TTI IRS suspension.....another industry exclusive, 75% fewer parts and keeps the tire moving up and down, no side to side or "scrub" motion, better stability and less wear on the tires.

DESS-Digitally encoded security system, the Oultanders ignition is simlar to cars with an anti theft chip in the key, the quad can't be started without this key.

Step Thu Design-while this may not have had mass appeal, IMO it was a great concept and made sense.

Rear Radiator-Not a bad concept, not sure why it never took off.

How about the Renegade 4WD hybrid? Shall I waste more bandwith sharing how BRP brings nothing to the industry?

If ignorance was bliss you'd be one happy guy!

 

Raidermike67---

Viscoloc- Polaris 2001-02 Magnum Rmk
Suzuki Can't remember the models-
Visco loc is not anything new. Gm and ford have been using it for years as has dodge on there AWD's

IRS- Polaris- 1994 (95 year model) First
Suzuki What's so new bout that
Anti theft- Honda, Yamaha, and Polaris experimented in it internationally 5 years ago. The thought of a lock out on the trail and it was thrown out. Austrailia was the first country to recieve it with a very high theft rate of atvs.

Inboard disc brakes- Polaris 1995 to present Front axle was dismissed due to brake wear in front.
Rotax engine??????? Every other brand has engines. What's so special bout yours? What makes it an innovation.

Rear mounted Radaitors. Now that has been tested by almost everyone. The reason you don't see them anymore is because they overheat very easy in a low speed, heavy workload condition. I'll give you the innovation on that.

Walk through, I almost forgot that. I remember riding one and said it would be the last time i would ride it. But you've got me. Two things brp has done that nobody else has introduced to the market. Now can you name something brp has done to make an impact on the utility market? Or the atv market for that matter. Something that is so great that nobody has thought of or done before that would make me want to go and buy one for it

 

He cant, because they havnt. And you tell me ignorance is bliss, haha. You're talking to the wrong person.

 

you've got me. Two things brp has done that nobody else has introduced to the market. Now can you name something brp has done to make an impact on the utility market? Or the atv market for that matter. Something that is so great that nobody has thought of or done before >>>>>>>>>

Do you actually have a point or is your intent only to stir up $hit? These are ATV's NOT SUV's, there is only SO much you can do with one, good grief! BRP has been making snowmobiles and watercraft for decades and are leaders in those markets. Rotax, Johnson and Evinrude motors are industry leaders in quality and technology, Evinrude makes a 2 stroke outboard motor that has less emissions then a 4 stroke. The DS650 is one of the most rock solid built ATV's PERIOD!

Why can't BRP transfer the quality, reliablity and performance they are already well known for to their ATV's? Why wouldn't they? BRP practices Six Sigma Quality management, this means QUALITY is the #1 focus......it's obvious in their snowmobiles, watercraft, Rotax engines etc....Why wouldn't it be the same for their ATV's? What has Honda brought to the table recently? Electric steering? Their largest utility doesn't even have EBS or a low gear and didn't have 4 wheel disc brakes until the 06 model.

The Outlander is marketed as a sport/ute hybrid.....if you want something for around the farm, you're probably better off with a Polaris or Honda. It's not top speed that matters, it's how quickly you can get there. The Outlander 650 and 800 have been ATV of the year in most publications, hard to find many complaints about them. If you wanna bash them, knock yourself silly but you have ZERO points of reference and your responses are laden with sarcasm and BS. I wouldn't drop a dime on a Polaris simply because they are just entirely too heavy completely useless for the type of RIDING I do, my ATV isn't for work and the Outlander fits my needs quite fine. This is my second model and the 6th ATV I've owned. Everyone who has ridden my 800 has said hands down it was the most awsome thing they've ridden, even my buddy with a brand new YFZ said if he gets another quad for the family it will definately be an Outlander.

I'm not going to sit here and try to tell you the Outlander is the best quad made, that is very subjective and depends on who is buying and what type of use. I have no problems recommending this machine to my family and friends (in fact three different family members will be purchasing outlanders by Jan.) based on my real life experience not only on them but on other quads as well. I'm not worried about the quality of these ATV's, BRP has a long track record in the power sports industry I see no reasons that their ATV's are any different.

 

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You post one saying it is the slowest. And YES IT DOES DO 70 MPH. And i wont be the only one with a 650v2 who verifys this. Anyone who has ridden one will tell you the same. And even if it was the slowest, which it isnt, who cares? I didnt buy it for racing. You are the only person on this ENTIRE site who seems to try and tell everyone the outty is better at everything, and would suit everyones needs better than anything else. WRONG. The outty is a super machine, but it doest have what i need, and it isnt an "outdoorsmans" quad. I can swiftly turn my quad from a hunting machine, to a camping machine, to a work machine, to a fishing rig in seconds, and the racks are big and strong enugh to hold hundreds of pounds of gear. So go ahead and race your outty up and down the trails, while im climbing the side of a steep snowy hill to hunt moose and camp out for a weekend

 

Sled's are a tight market with polaris and cat 1st and 2nd. It varies. Skidoo has never had either in market share. Yamaha is the brand in watercraft. (As far as #1 in market share) But when have I compared brp strictly to Polaris? Yes, I have used them in points but who's to say I'm totallly set on them? You just admitted to brp being a sport ute, so why get on a thread title for best ute? Why not start your on thread and say who makes the best sport ute. My point that I have already made is that the list of so called innovations you listed I have answered to the best of my knowledge brands that have used it or are currently using it. The crack on the visco loc and not being trucks, you lost me. Other atv brands used it before. They quit using it because you could not depend on it kicking in every time. Brp did not invent the visco loc system. The renegade does seem to be a nice piece. An automatic awd sport quad. Sounds like a scrammy with alot more juice. Oh, but the IRS it has. Never mind. Polaris put that in a sport quad too. I think they did that last year? Outlaw maybe its called? No, I'm not trying to stir up anything, just like the debate. The only time people get upset is when they have nothing else to add to the conversation.

 

LIKE I sad all I want to do is save some lives or at lest stop someone from having a runaway Polaris on a step long hill like we have out west. If you want to talk about brp you should at least ride one that's whats important. I hope Polaris can win a race because it would be the first one they ever won if I'm wrong hear let me know and I change my statement. They need to find someone to make their engines I hope the KTM engine works for them.They have some thing called ADC but can you tell us how it works I and all the from er Polaris owners would like to know also isn't only on the deluxe.