Rhino Rollover
#201
09-23-2007, 01:18 AM
Rhino Rollover
I am real sorry you have had your problems,as an old time rider of motorcycles and Quads,I must agree that it is usually pilot error that causes accidents! With that said,I can't understand why a Rhino would flip over going 8 mph.The nut that holds wheel is the most important part of any vehicle.........
#202
10-01-2007, 10:53 AM
Rhino Rollover
I finally rolled mine this weekend, everybody did what they were supposed to do, hold on and ride it out. it held up great, nobody got hurt but the pass seatbelt doesnt work now. I think i will try and persued yamaha to buy me another seatbelt in exchange for me not suing them lol. by the way, there wasnt a scratch on it after we flipped it back over, i was impressed. (I'm kidding about sueing them, I was doing something stupid and I take full responsibility for the rollover)
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10-01-2007, 09:16 PM
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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: LeroysRhino
I finally rolled mine this weekend, everybody did what they were supposed to do, hold on and ride it out. it held up great, nobody got hurt but the pass seatbelt doesnt work now. I think i will try and persued yamaha to buy me another seatbelt in exchange for me not suing them lol. by the way, there wasnt a scratch on it after we flipped it back over, i was impressed. (I'm kidding about sueing them, I was doing something stupid and I take full responsibility for the rollover)</end quote></div>
Same here, rolled mine as well at Dumont on the razor backs, flipped over, i have the half doors but my wife still put her leg out at the windshield level and landed on her foot. hanging there helplessly I couldnt get the seat belt off fast enough. Finally I managed to lift my self up and undo the belt, got down in side the cab and dug my wifes foot out, she screamed and I thought it was broke but luckily it was sand. A few fellow riders stopped by and rolled the rhino back over and we took off back to camp. I told her I would like to go to the nearest hospital and chekc it out but she didnt want to leave camp and toughed it out. We finally got home, made an appt and low and behold it was not broke but was in pain for a few months. Now this was my fault and I take full responsibility. YES they do roll over even at 5 miles an our and turning over a razor back ( which I do all the time on my quad) but dont do it on a rhino.... hehehehee
Goes to show, you get doors, you will still manage to get your foot out if you want to. The netting seems like a great idea and would love to try it out. If in fact it covers both complete sides that is so your arms or legs dont get crushed.
I finally rolled mine this weekend, everybody did what they were supposed to do, hold on and ride it out. it held up great, nobody got hurt but the pass seatbelt doesnt work now. I think i will try and persued yamaha to buy me another seatbelt in exchange for me not suing them lol. by the way, there wasnt a scratch on it after we flipped it back over, i was impressed. (I'm kidding about sueing them, I was doing something stupid and I take full responsibility for the rollover)</end quote></div>
Same here, rolled mine as well at Dumont on the razor backs, flipped over, i have the half doors but my wife still put her leg out at the windshield level and landed on her foot. hanging there helplessly I couldnt get the seat belt off fast enough. Finally I managed to lift my self up and undo the belt, got down in side the cab and dug my wifes foot out, she screamed and I thought it was broke but luckily it was sand. A few fellow riders stopped by and rolled the rhino back over and we took off back to camp. I told her I would like to go to the nearest hospital and chekc it out but she didnt want to leave camp and toughed it out. We finally got home, made an appt and low and behold it was not broke but was in pain for a few months. Now this was my fault and I take full responsibility. YES they do roll over even at 5 miles an our and turning over a razor back ( which I do all the time on my quad) but dont do it on a rhino.... hehehehee
Goes to show, you get doors, you will still manage to get your foot out if you want to. The netting seems like a great idea and would love to try it out. If in fact it covers both complete sides that is so your arms or legs dont get crushed.
#204
11-07-2007, 09:08 AM
#207
07-15-2008, 03:14 AM
Rhino Rollover
I personally think lawyers should NOT advertise. I personally HATE these guys ads you see late at night on TV. Or people who try to sue anyone for anything. I also think people should take responsibility for their own actions. Yes there are Yahoos who are drunk, others doing WILD things, we have all seen them. We have seen them tip over and beer come falling out. We have seen them push their vehicles well beyond the limit. Those people are dangerous to everyone.
But.......all the suits against Yamaha are because the DESIGN is faulty AND Yamaha Execs were warned by their people in the design process. The wheels are too close together, it is too high off the ground, the rear wheels are locked together (no slip diff) there is no padding on the roll bar. Their SSF (static stability factor) is way too low, it would NEVER pass in a SUV, jeep or car. http://www.safercar.gov/portal...000002fd17898RCRD#ssf
I am NOT a lawyer, but I can prove that what I am writing is 100% true.
In the past 3 years there have been OVER 75 suits against Yamaha for the Rhino rolling over, many or on the Orange County Clerk of Courts web site: https://ocapps.occourts.org/CivilPub...c=case_src_dtl Do a search under "business" for "Yamaha".
NOT ONE SUIT HAS YAMAHA MADE A MOTION TO THROW OUT OR HAVE DISMISSED. EVERY SUIT IS EITHER IN PROGRESS OR HAS BEEN SETTLED, IN FAVOR OF THE INJURED PERSON.
The real interesting thing is this.......EVERY suit against Yamaha, they (Yamaha) gets a "Protective Order". This order protects Yamaha when they turn over documents to the opposing lawyer. The documents HAVE to be returned or destroyed with in 30 days after the suit is finished. Some of the documents are the amount and degree of testing Yamaha did (if any). Some of the documents are testimony from the engineers in the research & development stages. There is testimony from about 20 different Yamaha executives with damaging comments, including Yamaha' in house lawyer Roy Watson. Also included are any possible safety features designed but not installed (like doors). This is a fraction of what is in there. IF Yamaha is so squeaky clean, why not fight these suits and set a pattern? Their current pattern is to settle these cases AND to keep their documents quite. Why file motions to keep SELECT documents secret?
Two engineering firms http://www.renfroe.com/ and http://www.sealcorp.com/atv-ut...utility-testing.htmlin have proven that IF Yamaha spaced the wheels 4" further apart instead of tipping over at 12 mph, it will tip over at 30 MPH. (Call them and ask)
The present of Yamaha of France Jean Claude Olivier (an accomplished racer) tipped over and broke HIS leg.......on flat ground. Then he made every Rhino that came in to France have doors (early design, leg minders, diagonal like bars).
Jeep was sued because they had NO padding on the Roll Bars, they started padding them now. The SFI foundation has written roll bar padding standards (originally for cars and jeeps). Specification 45.1; 45.1.1; & 45.2.1: written 2/2/1995 was written because of the Jeep deal. Yamaha has chosen to ignore it. The roll bars have landed on atleast 13 peoples heads killing them. http://www.sfifoundation.com/
Yamaha says do NOT drive the Rhino on black top (or cement), they also say to be very careful on FLAT ground going SLOW speeds. When, where, and how are you to ride them. Yes, Yamaha has admitted they they do tip over on FLAT GROUND AT SLOW SPEEDS.
The reason I know all of this is because my 10 year old daughters skull was crushed (LITERALLY) when a Rhino she was a passenger in tipped. The roll bar landed on her head. The police determined the driver was only going 10 to 12 MPH. They reconstructed the scene, I have the pictures of the land and tire indentations, he was making a gradual turn. This was investigated VERY throually for about 2 months by sheriffs, accident reconstruction specialists, and prosecuting attorney, and grand jury. The conclusion was he was not being reckless in any way.
I personally have talked with the parents of 12 kids who have been killed the EXACT same way. When you see your 10 year old unconscious on a field and thick blood is pouring out of her ears and nose. Then when 24 hours later you have to allow the hospital to turn off the life support and explain to her 14 yr old and 8 yr old brothers that this is the end of their sister, you want answers. When this happens to your family you dig, and dig and dig until either you give up because there is nothing to find OR you find answers.
As I said I feel we all need to be accountable for our actions.......including Yamaha.
But.......all the suits against Yamaha are because the DESIGN is faulty AND Yamaha Execs were warned by their people in the design process. The wheels are too close together, it is too high off the ground, the rear wheels are locked together (no slip diff) there is no padding on the roll bar. Their SSF (static stability factor) is way too low, it would NEVER pass in a SUV, jeep or car. http://www.safercar.gov/portal...000002fd17898RCRD#ssf
I am NOT a lawyer, but I can prove that what I am writing is 100% true.
In the past 3 years there have been OVER 75 suits against Yamaha for the Rhino rolling over, many or on the Orange County Clerk of Courts web site: https://ocapps.occourts.org/CivilPub...c=case_src_dtl Do a search under "business" for "Yamaha".
NOT ONE SUIT HAS YAMAHA MADE A MOTION TO THROW OUT OR HAVE DISMISSED. EVERY SUIT IS EITHER IN PROGRESS OR HAS BEEN SETTLED, IN FAVOR OF THE INJURED PERSON.
The real interesting thing is this.......EVERY suit against Yamaha, they (Yamaha) gets a "Protective Order". This order protects Yamaha when they turn over documents to the opposing lawyer. The documents HAVE to be returned or destroyed with in 30 days after the suit is finished. Some of the documents are the amount and degree of testing Yamaha did (if any). Some of the documents are testimony from the engineers in the research & development stages. There is testimony from about 20 different Yamaha executives with damaging comments, including Yamaha' in house lawyer Roy Watson. Also included are any possible safety features designed but not installed (like doors). This is a fraction of what is in there. IF Yamaha is so squeaky clean, why not fight these suits and set a pattern? Their current pattern is to settle these cases AND to keep their documents quite. Why file motions to keep SELECT documents secret?
Two engineering firms http://www.renfroe.com/ and http://www.sealcorp.com/atv-ut...utility-testing.htmlin have proven that IF Yamaha spaced the wheels 4" further apart instead of tipping over at 12 mph, it will tip over at 30 MPH. (Call them and ask)
The present of Yamaha of France Jean Claude Olivier (an accomplished racer) tipped over and broke HIS leg.......on flat ground. Then he made every Rhino that came in to France have doors (early design, leg minders, diagonal like bars).
Jeep was sued because they had NO padding on the Roll Bars, they started padding them now. The SFI foundation has written roll bar padding standards (originally for cars and jeeps). Specification 45.1; 45.1.1; & 45.2.1: written 2/2/1995 was written because of the Jeep deal. Yamaha has chosen to ignore it. The roll bars have landed on atleast 13 peoples heads killing them. http://www.sfifoundation.com/
Yamaha says do NOT drive the Rhino on black top (or cement), they also say to be very careful on FLAT ground going SLOW speeds. When, where, and how are you to ride them. Yes, Yamaha has admitted they they do tip over on FLAT GROUND AT SLOW SPEEDS.
The reason I know all of this is because my 10 year old daughters skull was crushed (LITERALLY) when a Rhino she was a passenger in tipped. The roll bar landed on her head. The police determined the driver was only going 10 to 12 MPH. They reconstructed the scene, I have the pictures of the land and tire indentations, he was making a gradual turn. This was investigated VERY throually for about 2 months by sheriffs, accident reconstruction specialists, and prosecuting attorney, and grand jury. The conclusion was he was not being reckless in any way.
I personally have talked with the parents of 12 kids who have been killed the EXACT same way. When you see your 10 year old unconscious on a field and thick blood is pouring out of her ears and nose. Then when 24 hours later you have to allow the hospital to turn off the life support and explain to her 14 yr old and 8 yr old brothers that this is the end of their sister, you want answers. When this happens to your family you dig, and dig and dig until either you give up because there is nothing to find OR you find answers.
As I said I feel we all need to be accountable for our actions.......including Yamaha.
#208
07-20-2008, 11:53 PM
#210
07-29-2008, 12:58 PM
Rhino Rollover
Well this starts out with"I never thought would be writing to you" I had a 15 year old neighbor kid who asked my 18 year old son if he could borrow the Rhino to go back down to his house to get something. Well he turned too sharp and rolled the Rhino over its left hand side. He put his foot out and it was crushed and broken. Several people have advised his mother aobut the law suit.
What is the liability of the owner of the vehicle vs the responsibility of the operator?
I have heard that the owner is not liable that the lawsuit goes directly to Yahama for making an unstable vehicle. I recieved the new sticker which I placed over the original sticker.
Oh and did I mention that this 15 year old when tested at the hospital had been drinking? Everyones life has and will be changed by this.
Thoughts?
What is the liability of the owner of the vehicle vs the responsibility of the operator?
I have heard that the owner is not liable that the lawsuit goes directly to Yahama for making an unstable vehicle. I recieved the new sticker which I placed over the original sticker.
Oh and did I mention that this 15 year old when tested at the hospital had been drinking? Everyones life has and will be changed by this.
Thoughts?