no one said I was scared to get muddy I swamp my rancher every weekend but I do wear chest waders so mabe I'm scared and as for es thats just my preferance. I did not know we were trying to be judgemental. I thought we were giving our opinions.

 

Your right. It is your and my opinion and I respect your preference.

 

Amuro did your pipe and programer pick your bike up any. I'm looking at installing a mudslinger and programer on my 420'just didnt want to spend 5 or $600 dollars and see no diff. Thanks for any help.

 

After the Uni air filter, HMF pipe, and PCIII, I was able to pop a wheelie of the ground at a dead stop with out pulling back on the handle bar just all on its own, ya it made a difference. I said the same thing too about spending that kind of money but now I don't regret it at all. Oh also you know how snappy they are on the throttle well its way more snappy now! One more thing it always depends on the person yes it made a difference but please don't take it like its a Hot Rod now, some people not everyone over think or have high expectation from these mods. After installing all this they are still not satisfied. What I'm trying to say is yes it helped and did felt the difference but still I can't spank a 700cc or 800cc ATV. Sorry its a lot but hope it helps.

 

As far as ES goes, if I personally liked the shift buttons a lot better, I'd just get one. Hitting all the connectors with some diaelectric grease I think would prevent a lot of the little problems, and if at some point I had to replace an angle sensor or something, I could live with that to ride what I want.

If foot shift or push button doesn't matter to you (or matter much), then I'd go with the ES.

If you were looking at upgrading tires but don't want to sink too much into wheels, I think wheels off a Foreman or Rubicon fit?

If so, there are some deals on those, from people who put fancy wheels on...

 

Thanks alot all I'm looking for is a little more bottom end in the thick mud. I lost alot of low end grunt in the mud, when I put on 27s I'm not looking to out run anyone I'm also looking into a 21% gear reduction that highlifter has out. They say u can run 29s with the gear reduction. After I installed lift kit I can pop a wheelie with very little effort but it did make the bike light in the front end when climbing hills. I assume its because it changes the pinion angle.

 

Ya you will get more bottom end power for sure with the HMF pipe and PCIII, Ive seen people with no gear reduction and 30" tires, but when it comes to installing something in the engine or messing with the engine I don't do it. The biggest tires Ill install on my bike are 27" that's it. My next set of tires are Gorilla Silverback 27" or 27" Outlwas just not sure yet.

 

everyone around here runs mudlites and swamplites. Most of the ones that outlaws and silverbacks took them off because they kept tear the bike all apart and not to mention they love breaking axles. We have a a guy that rides with us with 2008 grizzly with 28" silverbacks and I can smoke him with my rincon and everyone knows a rincon has very little bottom end power. The silverbacks are so heavy they might kill your power bad. The 27" mudlites killed mine in thick mud where i used to rip it with the 26s but mine is still stock as far as power is concerned.Just a thought.

 

True, If I don't get the Outlaw or S-Back I'll defentily get the 27" Swamplite, right now I got the 26" Swamplite and I like them. My friend's Can-Am Outlander 400, We have replaced/fixed 3 belts, rear drive shaft, and front 4X4 system because of the 27" outlaws. I know what you mean lol

 

Here is ONE OF MANY example why I'm glad I don't own a ES Click on Link&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.highlifter.com/forum/420_rancher_elctric_shift_problems/m_3223125/tm.htm
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If I find or see any more I'll keep on posting MORE issue with ES.

Found another #2 &gt;&gt;&gt; http://forums.atvconnection.co...atid/8/threadid/559881