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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 09:55 AM
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Originally posted by: stunna65305
Someone tell me why the cycle's deserve their own trails again? Seems to me that them having their own trail is a waste.
You want to know a waste, that 450R of yours would be a waste on these "highways"!
 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 09:59 AM
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Someone tell me why the cycle's deserve their own trails again? Seems to me that them having their own trail is a waste.
You want to know a waste, that 450R of yours would be a waste on these "highways"!
And what are you talking about again?

Anyways, paid their dues or not, the vast majority of ORV users in this state ride ATV's. Kinda seems stupid for the minority of ORV users to have their own trail system that noone else can ride on. Atleast on ATV trails, both bikes and quads can enjoy them.

Also, I paid my dues in the military by doing roadside cleanups for our base community service days and guess what.... I don't own that road. You people can volunteer all you want but in the end that's all you are, volunteers.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 10:05 AM
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Originally posted by: stunna65305
You people can volunteer all you want but in the end that's all you are, volunteers.
Fascinating outlook.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 10:07 AM
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The issue then, Is that most cyclist dont ENJOY wide, over used and muddy trails, and prefer single track. Nothing wrong with that. If you have 85% ATVS and 15% cycles, then theres nothing wrong with having a MAJORITY multi use trails, but also nothing wrong with a bit of single track.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 10:10 AM
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All those volunteers were activists in the beginning. Do you think they were just given trails to ride on all these years? Heck no!! There were a lot of man hours spent by people who loved riding 2 wheels in the dirt. Something not understood or appreciated by those who havnt done it. And they have been fighting many groups who oppose and wanted to stop them from enjoying their sport/hobby. Now the quad group wants them to step aside and let them take over. Good Luck Stunna!!
 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by: ktmguy70
The issue then, Is that most cyclist dont ENJOY wide, over used and muddy trails, and prefer single track. Nothing wrong with that. If you have 85% ATVS and 15% cycles, then theres nothing wrong with having a MAJORITY multi use trails, but also nothing wrong with a bit of single track.
You got a point there chief and I really can't argue that the trails are for the most part overused. What I can say though is that through better maintenance of the trails, because they are rough as hell, this really won't be as much of a problem anymore. Also, if all of the trails in Michigan were opened up to ATV's and bikes, then the ATV trails would'nt be so overused.

 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by: ktmguy70
The issue then, Is that most cyclist dont ENJOY wide, over used and muddy trails, and prefer single track. Nothing wrong with that. If you have 85% ATVS and 15% cycles, then theres nothing wrong with having a MAJORITY multi use trails, but also nothing wrong with a bit of single track.
Apparantly its a huge problem for a few. Some wont sleep until 99.9% of the trails are multi use.
 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
All those volunteers were activists in the beginning. Do you think they were just given trails to ride on all these years? Heck no!! There were a lot of man hours spent by people who loved riding 2 wheels in the dirt. Something not understood or appreciated by those who havnt done it. And they have been fighting many groups who oppose and wanted to stop them from enjoying their sport/hobby. Now the quad group wants them to step aside and let them take over. Good Luck Stunna!!
From my perspective the quad group does'nt really want them to completely step aside, they just want them to stop acting so arrogant in defending something that is'nt theirs in the first place. If the bike guys can just start working with the quad guys more, situations like this would become avoidable.

 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 10:13 AM
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Also, if all of the trails in Michigan were opened up to ATV's and bikes, then the ATV trails would'nt be so overused.
So you want 100% of the trails to be multi use?
 
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 10:15 AM
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Simple answer, YES.
 
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