The work I provided is preserved every day when I hear people speaking english.

Nevertheless, nothing I've said about the dirt bike community has been arrogant. The only reason it is being perceived that way is because the bike community is, in and of its own, so arrogant they can't even comprehend how arrogant they are.

I, like most other quad riders, have absolutely no issue with bike's being on the same trails as my quad. Cycle guys on the other hand, believe it is a given that they should have their own trails which is ridiculous. Someone please come up with a reason why I and everyone else who rides a quad should not see that as anything else other than arrogance when the number of riders you represent is far smaller than the number of quad riders in Michigan?

 

So now you get to decide how fast someone can go on a trail?

 

I don't really agree with that either. As long as your being safe meaning your watching out for other people on the trails, you should be able to go as fast as you want.

 

It must be great to think like that.

So they dont have the right to ANY single track? And you still want them to work with you??

There is arrogance on both sides.

 

Stunna, In some ways Bikers want to distance themselves from the ATVers because of the whole legality issue. Most of us hardcore bikers remember what it was like BEFORE atvs.
There wasnt this great Push to close all these riding areas, the sierra club wasnt breathing down our necks, etc.. Many of us worked for years, decades even maintaining and opening up trails, then ATVS come along and thos trails became wider, and wider, and Now, with big-bore 4x4's and huge mud tires, alot of the trails we "used" to run are impassable swamps.
Why would we want to ride those trails, Bikes arent cut out for that?

Secondly, ATVS allow the inexpereienced riders to get out into the woods without proper training, and let loose on the trail system. Face it, any idiot can buy and ride a 50 HP ATV, and there is much more likelyhood of trail damage or physical injury.

And lastly, where do we draw the limit?
I mean If a quad is to narrow to fit on a bike trail and we want to open all the bike trails up to ATVS, then by that same assumption, all the ATV trails are to narrow to fit a chevy suburban down, so lets make them all large enough to accomodate those folks and keep them happy as well.

If you have a 300 mile trail system, theres nothing wrong with having 3%-5% of that single
track. Because I can assure you, eventually the little water puddle thats in the middle of the trail will eventually become a 4' deep hole that swallows even the largest 4x4 quads, and bikes wont have that access either. I have seen this on every trail system I have ever been on.

IM not trying to say I understand completely what you are going throughup there, But I do enjoy Atvs and Bikes, and I completely comprehend times the need for multi use and also single track.

I co-own a Polaris/KTM dealership, and Hold group rides on a regular event with both groups of folks. So I see the POTENTIAL for alot of these issues to develop down here, however the conflict never arises.

Regardless of the majority, Bikes were here first and layed the groundwork for much of what everyone enjoys today. I assume in 25 years, Caucasions will be the minority in this country,
So Just because another nationality succeeds us in total numbers, should all our heritage and work be forgotten and made to accomodate this new group? A strange comparison, I Know, but none the less it fits.

SImply, I do not advocate making far reaches of single track and shutting out other users, I do , however advocate creating a very small percentage of single track over an entire trail system (provided the system is large enoiugh to accomodate it) and it Does work, and work well around here.

 

At the request of someone, I have changed the name back.

 

I certainly hope no money from the sticker fees was used to make the transformation. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]

 

Not a dime! The time was volunteered by me! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

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So now you get to decide how fast someone can go on a trail?
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I dont ever recall stating anything about a speed limit on ANY of the trails here in Michigan,so im not even sure where you come up with that accusation?

All ORV operators have the RESPONSABILITY to operate their Off Road Vehicles in a safe and responsable manner with regard to the safety of not only themselves, but ALL other operators riding on the trail. If you choose to use the trail system as your own personal mini race track, than you will have to deal with any of the shortcomings that may or may not become as a result of your inability to operate within the guidlines of the law.

 

"Two days ago"....you tried to avoid talking about the funding formula by bringing up the fact that you didn't receive training subsidies (AT THIS TIME) a fact that nobody had ever even so much as questioned before that point in time (please provide evidence that disputes this if you'd like).

Now you're out here trying to convince the rest of us that your work in helping to triple this proposed funding formula 'doesn't matter'.....as you PRESENTLY won't participate in the program because why?...THE STATE WON'T ALLOW YOU TO CHARGE THESE KIDS WHATEVER YOU DARN WELL PLEASE! (you can defend parents being charged to sit in on their kid's classes...or trainers 'in the day' getting $60 per kid to merely 'administer' a safety class...but "sorry" we won't ALLOW you to play both sides of the fence when it comes to this new proposal and your up-to-the-neck involvement in promoting this skewed funding increase).

What's next?

That you will swear off any increased training funding for your "non-profit"....because (by gosh) that money didn't come from an equitable formula and never WILL dirty your hands?