What is really going on in Michigan
#1083
10 days since somebody posted in here, did everybody run out of names to call each other?
Doesn't matter, I just was wondering if this thread was finally locked down anyway.
I was going to say that through all this argueing and accusations that we as ORV users managed to get 1 more county to open their roads to ORV use, we opened a portion of a popular trail system that was closed.
All without BB's help
Doesn't matter, I just was wondering if this thread was finally locked down anyway.
I was going to say that through all this argueing and accusations that we as ORV users managed to get 1 more county to open their roads to ORV use, we opened a portion of a popular trail system that was closed.
All without BB's help
#1084
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Originally posted by: Theotherguy
"...I just was wondering if this thread was finally locked down anyway...."
From somebody wishing that all focus be turned away from those now determining literally 10's of millions of dollars in future funding formulas (translation: how many dollars will be put in these cycle club's pockets through the majority maintenance/training programs they control)...I'm sure that you are anxious for this thread to be locked down "finally".
"....was going to say that through all this argueing and accusations that we as ORV users managed to get 1 more county to open their roads to ORV use, we opened a portion of a popular trail system that was closed.All without BB's help..."
Question:
Why do you come on here while flat out refusing to discuss issues such as the two stated above nor feel ashamed to be a part of councils boasting as to their secret nature....yet somehow feel "compelled" to pat yourself on the back and arrogantly brag about how you did this or that without the public's knowledge or even consent?
I volunteered to "help" over 7 years ago. ..the only problem being that my idea of recruiting others to do so <u>also</u> involved the same type of professionalism and disclosure that groups like the snowmobilers have used with sucess for years (then again, these sledders didn't have factions like these cyclists attempting to drive a permenant 'me-only' wedge within their own community nor 'non-profit' trainers seeking to charge parents to sit in on their child's orv education).
Showing up once every 3 months in Lansing with absolutely no information availiable in between and no contact whatsoever allowed with those making these decisions might seem "normal" for those of you on the southeast side of this state used to ramming politics through at the balance of this state's expense...yet we "outstaters" simply call these shots for what they are.
Originally posted by: Theotherguy
"...I just was wondering if this thread was finally locked down anyway...."
From somebody wishing that all focus be turned away from those now determining literally 10's of millions of dollars in future funding formulas (translation: how many dollars will be put in these cycle club's pockets through the majority maintenance/training programs they control)...I'm sure that you are anxious for this thread to be locked down "finally".
"....was going to say that through all this argueing and accusations that we as ORV users managed to get 1 more county to open their roads to ORV use, we opened a portion of a popular trail system that was closed.All without BB's help..."
Question:
Why do you come on here while flat out refusing to discuss issues such as the two stated above nor feel ashamed to be a part of councils boasting as to their secret nature....yet somehow feel "compelled" to pat yourself on the back and arrogantly brag about how you did this or that without the public's knowledge or even consent?
I volunteered to "help" over 7 years ago. ..the only problem being that my idea of recruiting others to do so <u>also</u> involved the same type of professionalism and disclosure that groups like the snowmobilers have used with sucess for years (then again, these sledders didn't have factions like these cyclists attempting to drive a permenant 'me-only' wedge within their own community nor 'non-profit' trainers seeking to charge parents to sit in on their child's orv education).
Showing up once every 3 months in Lansing with absolutely no information availiable in between and no contact whatsoever allowed with those making these decisions might seem "normal" for those of you on the southeast side of this state used to ramming politics through at the balance of this state's expense...yet we "outstaters" simply call these shots for what they are.
#1085
Originally posted by: Theotherguy
10 days since somebody posted in here, did everybody run out of names to call each other?
Doesn't matter, I just was wondering if this thread was finally locked down anyway.
I was going to say that through all this argueing and accusations that we as ORV users managed to get 1 more county to open their roads to ORV use, we opened a portion of a popular trail system that was closed.
All without BB's help
10 days since somebody posted in here, did everybody run out of names to call each other?
Doesn't matter, I just was wondering if this thread was finally locked down anyway.
I was going to say that through all this argueing and accusations that we as ORV users managed to get 1 more county to open their roads to ORV use, we opened a portion of a popular trail system that was closed.
All without BB's help
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#1086
We're all very impressed with your ability to duck the above questions once again by going off-topic.
How about 'now' speaking to the fact that the person who started this thread is currently involved in the disposition of tens of millions of our dollars behind the same closed doors that he brags about in my signature below.
Tell me something...is he still proposing that we triple his trainer buddy's cut out of that money...while leaving maintenance, enforcement and restoration somehow unchanged or drastically cut per the 'prescribed DNR formula' ???
How about 'now' speaking to the fact that the person who started this thread is currently involved in the disposition of tens of millions of our dollars behind the same closed doors that he brags about in my signature below.
Tell me something...is he still proposing that we triple his trainer buddy's cut out of that money...while leaving maintenance, enforcement and restoration somehow unchanged or drastically cut per the 'prescribed DNR formula' ???
#1087
BB QUOTE*
We're all very impressed with your ability to duck the above questions once again by going off-topic
END OF QUOTE*
First off BB,please dont refer to WE'RE in your above post anymore.
WE'RE' would indicate that OTHER folks in this forum share your thoughts.And NOBODY agree's with much of anything that comes from your mouth.Dont speak on behalf of the OTHER folks in this forum,if they have anything to add, they surely would'nt appoint YOU as their spokesperson.
We're all very impressed with your ability to duck the above questions once again by going off-topic
END OF QUOTE*
First off BB,please dont refer to WE'RE in your above post anymore.
WE'RE' would indicate that OTHER folks in this forum share your thoughts.And NOBODY agree's with much of anything that comes from your mouth.Dont speak on behalf of the OTHER folks in this forum,if they have anything to add, they surely would'nt appoint YOU as their spokesperson.
#1088
Originally posted by: blackballed
We're all very impressed with your ability to duck the above questions once again by going off-topic.
We're all very impressed with your ability to duck the above questions once again by going off-topic.
If I remember correctly Blackballed has been asked several questions in this thread of which he has yet to answer by using his ability of going off topic. (see the list of questions on page 5 of this thread) The questions he seeks answers for now have already been answered, in this thread, just not to his likeing.
So What is really going on in Michigan?
We are riding, we are working to open new riding opportunities, whether they be trail or use area's or county roads, and we are working to reopen closed trail systems. The ORV Community has done this and continue to do this all without Blackballeds help. Why? Because anybody who is involved in ORV's in Michigan know that BB is never going to be happy with any decision made for any reason, he will twist the story around to make it look like a ton of money is going into private pockets. All while just sitting at his computer and not by cutting back brush. A lot of brush has grown and trees have fell that needed cutting out of the trail in the 7 long years he has been involved in ORV's, I'm betting he hasn't used up one tank of gas in a chainsaw helping to keep our trails open.
So what is really going on in Michigan? We are going riding, Blackballed is going to continue to call us names. I'm ok with that, I have trail to tend to, he has a computer to keep warm.
#1089
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
BB QUOTE*
We're all very impressed with your ability to duck the above questions once again by going off-topic
END OF QUOTE*
First off BB,please dont refer to WE'RE in your above post anymore.
WE'RE' would indicate that OTHER folks in this forum share your thoughts.And NOBODY agree's with much of anything that comes from your mouth.Dont speak on behalf of the OTHER folks in this forum,if they have anything to add, they surely would'nt appoint YOU as their spokesperson.
BB QUOTE*
We're all very impressed with your ability to duck the above questions once again by going off-topic
END OF QUOTE*
First off BB,please dont refer to WE'RE in your above post anymore.
WE'RE' would indicate that OTHER folks in this forum share your thoughts.And NOBODY agree's with much of anything that comes from your mouth.Dont speak on behalf of the OTHER folks in this forum,if they have anything to add, they surely would'nt appoint YOU as their spokesperson.
#1090
Three personal atttacks and (again) not a simple answer as to why these people feel the need to meet behind closed doors nor treat anybody who questions what they do there with anything resembling respect.
A very effective way to keep legitimate inquiries at bay (assault the character of all who step forward)...yet one which effectively destroys the ambitions of this next generation sitting on the sidelines wondering "why bother"?
Bottom line:
Literally tens of millions of drastically increased orv funding dollars are at stake here this year along with exactly who will receive same over a <u>long</u> period of time.
Like Mom used to always say:
"Follow the money...." [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] (and take careful note of which simple questions get answered....and which do not).






