The AMA is involved? Nice enough group, but IMO all they have had money/time for the last 10 years or so is fighting for supercross TV rights. I am a member of the aMA, but think the Blue Ribbon Coalition does much more for the average off roader and most dont even know it exists.

 

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Originally posted by: mywifesquad
AMA District 14 (Michigan) has no other peer (memberwise, they tell me) in these United States. Why do you think I get arrogantly approached by guys with toothpicks hanging out of their mouths and their heads cocked back/to one side slurring "Yeah, Joe Blow...AMA District 14" like they're from the 'FBI' or something???

And as far as them "only having time/money to fight for tv supercross rights"....this may be true and I think you are correct...yet (IMO) this merely translates to the same damn nonsense concerning where the ATVA has been concentrating the lion's share of their efforts also.

The Blue Ribbon Coalition?...who could argue about the <u>great</u> work these guys do....yet they have all they can handle dealing with issues mainly west of the Mississippi!

Have you ever called the ATVA up and asked them if they were willing to go to war with you over the tens of thousands of people at Windrock each year displaying the very same idiotic activity they want you to send in how many dollars each year to <u>stop</u>? I have....and if you think the AMA has historically done a cute little contortionated 'safety dance' each and every time the helmet issue has come up over the years....you ought to get a load of these guys when forcibly smacked in the face over good 'ol southern boys and their quads! (<u>sickening!</u>).

Again, there may be a world of difference concerning these guy's attitudes the further you get away from the Great Lakes. All "I" can relate here is my experience with people not even men enough to walk up and shake a man's hand.....and evidently not intelligent enough to deflect this kind of attention in the first place.

 

I guess thats why like them so much. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

No I havnt BB, but you knew that. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Ive always been glad I rode a dirt bike instead of a quad. Now im suddenly glad I live in ca. And that doesnt happen much for me.

 

I don't mind dirt bike riders one bit..it's just that I've never met a one of 'em who could tell me just how our future trail system(s) will actually support their "holier-than-thou" attitude with all these "exclusive" trails they want to ride...while at the same time providing each and every other segment of this light wheeled community that <u>same</u> trail mileage and that <u>same</u> ("it's our god-given-right, keep off of our trail!") outdoor opportunity.

 

I guess they arent as concerned for your future as you are for theirs. Arrogance does that to some people. Its too bad BB because I always thought michigan was a great place for off roaders.

There is a guy who moved here from michigan 15 years ago. He got here and was disgusted with the places to ride out here and that was 15 years ago. He gavbe up riding. Its much worse now.

 

Problem is this alleged arrogance doesn't exist. Troubling for those of us on the ground (in the clubs, at the rides, working the trails, attending the meetings and giving our input) to be painted in such a light and for those outside of Mich to hear just one negative voice and assume they are spot on.
It ain't that way.
This talk of 100 miles "land grab" didn't happen, didn't try to happen, wasn't proposed. Only exists in one person's mind.
Excluding other's from the trails is the same situation. The trails (we) put on the ground in the recent years have all been open to Bikes and ATVs with much of the new stuff being also open to full-size ORVs which includes the RUV (Rhino, etc.).

 

Thanks for your input 2TrakR, and welcome to the forums too. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

QUOTE*Have you ever called the ATVA up and asked them if they were willing to go to war with you over the tens of thousands of people at Windrock each year displaying the very same idiotic activity they want you to send in how many dollars each year to stop.END of Quote*

See,this is exactly what I refer to in my earleir posts about BBs attitude.He NEVER gives ANY ORGANIZATION credit for ANYTHING,he only targets what he feels they DONT do..I cant remember the last time I heard him EVER say ANYTHING good about ANYONE'S ORV related organization.Attitudes like this is why everyone from the DNR down to the Advisory Board members love BB SOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo much for.

FYI,
It was Royce Wood and Doug Morris that met with the CPSC panel of 3 on Sept 20th of this year to discuss the special interest groups that wanted to BAN the use of ATVs for all those under the age of 16.It was Woods and Morris that asks the federal panel to REJECT the petetion from these special interests groups.

But I know,BBs issues with Windrock are more important than making sure your kids have a future in the sport of family ATVing.

 

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Originally posted by: 2TrakR
[Q."...This talk of 100 miles "land grab" didn't happen, didn't try to happen, wasn't proposed. Only exists in one person's mind...."

If there is one thing I hate more than arrogance, its somebody who flat out lies and knows it. Before this guy's leader was forced out for reasons everybody outside of the state of Michigan seems willing to talk about...his club tried to weazle 50 grand out of the DNR to fund an impact study concerning 100 miles of motorcycle only trail in the Huron Forest. I sat there and witnessed it with my own eyes and then even had to alter my prepared statement to admonish them for attempting to pull it off. This was the exact same time period when I started demanding that both these motorcycle groups AND the DNR be forced to publicly comment on these important matters! For pete's sake, the DNR wasn't doing their job by explaining TO ALL OF US just WHY we didn't need or want 100 more miles of motorcycle trail...while the cyclists were getting away with one day <u>demanding</u> that we do it....and the next lying about ever so much as requesting it!!! (as you've witnessed here).

"...Excluding other's from the trails is the same situation. The trails (we) put on the ground in the recent years have all been open to Bikes and ATVs with much of the new stuff being also open to full-size ORVs which includes the RUV (Rhino, etc.)...."

The question is the same no matter how you want to spin it, 2-Trakkr....and it has absolutely nothing to do with what has went on while these questions have whirled around you unanswered for all these years.
It is the exact same question which has shut your leader's mouth each and every time he's been asked it!.
What trails will you boys be giving **UP** to finally make this Michigan orv system truly multi-use....and when will you be letting the rest of us peon Michigan citizens <u>in on</u> the planning of this next mandated 750 miles...to make sure none of you conveniently 'forget' about demanding that the last 100 miles built....be "motorcycle only"??? (or that future mileage be placed right next to your big city slicker homes? [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]).

Is that all you've got, 2-Trakkr? A simple lie or two? C'mon now, I always thought you were supposed to be the "go-to" guy for your fellow cyclists! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

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Originally posted by: blackballedI'm detecting a lot of inner/personal anger here. Perhaps if you stopped the lies, that you emit, it would help your personal situation.

Do you have this documented somewhere or is it strickly in your imagination? If it was at some meeting - somewhere - surely there's minutes to it to back up your position. I can prove it's not happened simply enough by looking out in the woods, just a sec..., nope, no 100 miles of cycle only trail here. Where is this trail you blast on about over and over?

My wife doesn't appreciate your sexist comments, but putting that aside for the moment. What trails would anyone have to give up here? Anyone can use the trails we have now, why are you demanding that somebody be excluded from using any of our trail system? Seems like you are out only to exclude and irritate the public at large.

I realize you have no trail system close to you, living so far south in Michigan, but name calling out of jealously is just silly. As for future mileage locations, I already ride my ORVs the required 10 minutes to my nearest trail system.

Prove it or shut up. Period. You couldn't prove squat last year when I called you out on ThumperTalk, nor on DirtRider. You were, however, proved wrong over and over again. Stop the crap about Michigan and move on.