Ahhhh the things we do to keep the little ladies happy. I'll just have to go out and move to GA, buy a new home and start a new business so she can be closer to our grandson, and she is forcing me to build a large workshop so I can make sure she gets enough room in the garage to park HER sports car.... Yup we must love them a lot right?

Now she is already talking about me getting her an old T-bird for those days when there are no clouds in the sky... Yeah right... right after I finish that street rod I wanted to build before 3 kids, 3 cats and 3 dogs passed through our lives and the costs of sending the two oldest chidren through college etc... I've waited 30 years for that dream car.. and I will not be denied.... and all I asked for was a tractor for Christmas...... Geez...

 

LOL [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] I understand. My wife always wanted a Vette. I told her she could get one when the kids grew up. She had a choice of a 01 convertable vette and a 00 STS a year ago. She chose the STS. I dont really want anything but some more time. I have always kept my mustang for a time like right now. It has a bunch of memories in it and i love to wrench. Good Times!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

QUOTE by BB***tell you what, Muddy...why don't you go to the people who now do all the talking for these atv groups....and ask them if mere 'peons' such as us could possibly be "allowed" into the same 'solution sessions' they have with OUR DNR
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No thank you BB,You've been a big enough embarrASSment to the very folks that are fighting to make forward gains in our sport,we dont need anymore PEONs like you walking us backwards.
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QUOTE by BB***
It's pretty 'ironic' that I have witnessed Muddy's group of merry men fall all over themselves screaming about how they "just wanted to ride" and "not get political".....yet just as soon as they are taken over by the motorcyclists?...he starts wondering what a person who actually DID apply for the advisory board position(s)...would have accomplished as chairman of a political body END of QUOTE***

Thats an outright LIE! Show me ONE person in our club that said they felt they were OVERTAKEN by the motorcyclists. The only thing I see as 'ironic' here is your continued efforts to be-little the efforts of our ATV club while at the same time, trying to appear to others in this forum that your some kind of ''investigative reporter' thats uncovering some sort of secrets involving those that lead our sport........

Continue on with your ORV work ethics,they got you no where 5 yrs ago,and they're getting you even less now.Over 260 hits on this topic alone,and only 3-4 folks even want to say anything back to you.This alone shows what most folks feel about your credability.

 

Ive only been riding since 2003.The group i ride with is a mixed bag,bikes and quads.
EVERY PERSON ive met on the trail has been great to talk with.This includes bikers quads
and every one else.I thought that the trails were for enjoyment not argument.

As far as the price for the sticker i dont think that it is unreasonable.I would pay more to
help for the upkeep of trails.If you can pay for gas to get to a riding area you should be able
to pay a little to help keep up the trails you ride.

Dont take this the wrong way guys you both are probably pretty cool.But your attitudes
toward each other makes you seem like children.Sounds like you need to go ride together
then sit by a fire at camp and enjoy your favorite beverage.

 

I made the orginal post a few days back. Due to only a handfull of people posting, in over 250 views in such a short time, I see little point in monitoring this any further. However, one would only have to assume one or both, of two things. In general, people are somewhat satisfied with the direction we are going in enhancing Michigans ORV trail system, the establishment of 25% more trail by 2008, our $4.2 million in "reserve funds" saved from the "robbers" in Lansing and being spent down over the next 5 years at the rate of about $900,000 annually. Better signage, more access to gas, food and lodging are just a few. The other assumption would be, people simply do not want to become involved in the response's given, to the original post.

Please watch for information soon to come, on the final ORV Draft Plan, that could come out as early as Febuary, then for final action by the Natural Resources Commission shortly thereafter. There will be opportunity for the public to speak on this matter at the NRC meetings, of which I understand, there will be a first and second reading. This plan will more than likely be in place at least for the next two decades. There are several very positive things included in the plan, but some have red flags immediately, we all need to pay close attention here.

Should be announced in early 06, some new programs for ORV Safety training. These are recommendations of the ORV Safety Task Force that met 7 times in 05. Some of this began in 05. In 04, we trained 2788, in 05, that number jumped to 6826. Our first goal is 10,000 annually and make the program available in all 83 county's in Michigan.

Wish each of you to enjoy your time spent on the trail, along with the family and friends that join you.
For the benefit of the future of our sport, please ride ONLY on the "designated trail". If you are riding in a county or township, where local roadways are open to ORV's, make certain you find out first, what the local ordinances are, your adherrance is vital to that ordinance's survival.

Meantime, my address is posted on the DNR website, if you have any questions, feel free to call during normal business hours.

hate it when people call me Mr.

Busy Rider,

CRF 230
TT 125 E
400 MAX
YAM 250, Champion Ice ride
First ride in 54
First involvement in Lansing politics in 69

 

This guy is amazing.

He's <u>hand-picked</u> by the DNR 3 years ago to lead our advisory board....and immediately starts answering my very simple and to-the-point procedural e-mails with misdirected replies and complaints of how 'busy' he is...yet we get plenty of the same "but I'll <u>tell</u> you what has already happened, so as to 'educate' you" no-position-on-the-future condescending tactic we've witnessed used a thousand times by the very same people he claims to influence.

The man's got less than a month on his term.....yet in those 3 short years:

Has sat there and publicly said nothing when this orv communitythe public had their stenographer taken away at the meetings he led...not demanding that the DNR fund this service through our sticker money or that they give this public a right to privately fund <u>freedom's record taker</u> so that the DNR would be unable to 'spin' these meetings as they wished nor effectively 'now' DENY ANY AND ALL STATEMENTS MADE WITHIN THAT ROOM (quote/unquote) "PUBLICLY".....

Presided over the DNR hacking our "privelege" to meet with them and their hand-picked board from 6 times a year to 4.....without even so much as <u>a word</u> of complaint that our counterparts on the snowmobile board are allowed to meet 4 times <u>in the span of 5 months</u>..IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER....

Quickly agreed with the DNR that cutting our time to meet with them this year wasn't long enough at every 3 months... by mutually extending it to **6** with absolutely no word from anybody in the interm because "there was nothing to talk about"....

Sat there and again said absolutely NOTHING publicly when the citizenry complained about his board's contact info <u>not</u> being publicly availiable as the snowmobile's board's are....THEN SAT THERE WITH THE <u>SAM</u>E LOOK ON HIS FACE WHEN THE DNR INFORMED US THAT ***ANY AND ALL CONTACT WITH HIS/"THEIR" BOARD....***SHOULD GO THROUGH THE DNR FIRST!***

I mean, how much further do I have to go?
Relate to you the time he sat there and AGAIN said absolutely nothing when the motorcyclists tried to pry 50 grand out of the DNR to fund a study for 100 miles of "motorcycle only" trail?....or are all these things combined (plus others to numerous to mention here)...GIVING EVEN ONE OF YOU the impression that this Michigan orv community has a damn lot of housecleaning to do?

Again, it's amazing to me that a retired guy demands us "still working people" to get in our replies and damn well better do it now....then immediately refuses to repond to anything EVEN <u>ALREADY</u> LEGITIMATELY QUESTIONED half-way into the conversation! (as I predicted from day one and from all-to-familiar experience).

I'll continue to answer this first-ever-in-the-history-of-Michigan 'state of the orv union' address "by myself", I suppose (as time permits),...hoping that this many hits (to the contrary) might someday result in someone giving a damn about our right to be even so much as 'heard' in the first place regarding OUR (not "Dick and the DNR's") priceless resource.

 

The problem with that solution is the very fact that I would have to keep my mouth <U>shut</U> regarding any and all issues brought forward to date in the Michigan orv communituy..along with any and all of my simple solutions to prevent them from happening in the future.

I know a lot of guys who like to drink and discuss the issues...I'm simply the type who believes you don't waste that opportunity by not letting all those cards be put on the table like real men do. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

Will all of this 25% more trail be multi-use (50") orv trail?

 

The 13-14-15 of may every yr we will be in the mack lk campground stop by we always bring extra
chairs.

 

I'll do my best and thanks for the invite. We like northern Michigan and the U.P. that time of year also and are aften on the road somewhere to enjoy it.