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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by: blackballed


Small wonder why the title of this thread originally penned as "What is really going on in Michigan".....is now belittled in the same manner as these state condensed public meetings.
Do you like the new title any better? If you actually answered a question, Id ask if you had a idea for the title. But you dont, so I wont. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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If we could trade questions back and forth instead of one side ignoring all that was said at the expense of the other...that might work.

For example...what commentary do you see brought forward on the myriad of subjects presented lately (even any kind of 'rebuttal' to the facts brought forward facing our community) as opposed to the personal attacks that seem designed to bury that very same (as you have now called it) ugly subject matter?

Example:
Muddy feels that $1 out of every $16 taken out now to subsidize his training program....is exactly the same as $3 out of every $25 taken out (proposed) to fill these trainer's pockets....with absolutely no other orv programs being affected by the increased percentage.
Am I missing something?
If we can't even question guys like this concerning literally hundreds of thousands of extra dollars floating their way(along with the guy who started this thread; actually proposed this ridiculous dvision of funds and who is now crafting our NEXT "communtiy backed" formula)...pray tell us just exactly who IS IT not answering the pointed questions here?

Has your computer crashed lately when pushing the reply button? (one guesses that this only happens when you head up super-secret councils or advisory boards that refuse to reveal their contact info without the public going through our DNR <u>first</u>....).
 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 12:48 PM
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I dont see where you have been anymore cooperative than they have.

 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 12:59 PM
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My job hasn't been to be "cooperative"....it has morphed into stating the facts while being <u>attacked</u> for doing so.

Again, MWQ....you've witnessed the facts being presented here over a long period of time....so exactly why haven't those involved in propogating this mess simply 'disputed' even so much as one of them....since this began???

Sounds like millions of dollars and hundreds of miles of trail at stake here is something to be made light of.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] (see the now thrice changed title of this thread)
 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 01:13 PM
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Not trying to provoke anything with this question, just something I thought of.

Of the new trails (regardless of width or usage), will any of these be shared with snowmobiles? And if so, will they be shut down to atv/mc during the winter months?
 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by: blackballed
My job hasn't been to be "cooperative"....it has morphed into stating the facts while being attacked for doing so.

Again, MWQ....you've witnessed the facts being presented here over a long period of time....so exactly why haven't those involved in propogating this mess simply 'disputed' even so much as one of them....since this began???

Sounds like millions of dollars and hundreds of miles of trail at stake here is something to be made light of.....[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img] (see the now thrice changed title of this thread)
I didnt realize this was your job. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] And Ive noticed that both sides have attacked.

Im guessing its because they havnt had to yet. They have the power and are enjoying it. (just as I suppose you would)

I can change it again but I sort of like this one. I think it sums it up pretty good.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 01:34 PM
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]Originally posted by: mywifesquad
"...Im guessing its because they havnt had to yet. They have the power and are enjoying it. (just as I suppose you would)..."[/Q]

The difference between me and them is most likely the fact that I don't "enjoy" power over anyone.

Yet when you observe the inability to even simply let a man have his say (see my appearance in Lansing where I was shouted down right in the middle of my alloted public speaking time)...you do however get some kind of idea as to how much that power means to many in the cycle-led Michigan orv community.
 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 01:44 PM
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The difference between me and them is most likely the fact that I don't "enjoy" power over anyone.

Yet when you observe the inability to even simply let a man have his say (see my appearance in Lansing where I was shouted down right in the middle of my alloted public speaking time)...you do however get some kind of idea as to how much that power means to many in the cycle-led Michigan orv community.
I could have used "taking advantage of" instead of "enjoying". Thats basically what i meant anyway. You would take advantage of that same power if it was yours. Atleast I assume you would [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img].

 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by: Scootergptx
Not trying to provoke anything with this question, just something I thought of.Of the new trails (regardless of width or usage), will any of these be shared with snowmobiles? And if so, will they be shut down to atv/mc during the winter months?
(LOL!!!) [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

No provocation here....just a question as to how you can skip over the fact that these people refuse to even INFORM us as to the what/where and how of these "new trails"...and go right into "who is allowed to use" trails we know absolutely nothing about through these same people's arrogance?

Does the statement above again illustrate this "who cares about what these guys tell members of their own community" attitude....or do we need show yet even <u>more</u> examples to describe what's going on here?

 
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Old Jun 20, 2006 | 01:49 PM
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OK, screw your trails. That's a provoking statement.

I guess if you don't have an answer fall back on your "I'm so misunderstood" and "poor me" responses.
 
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