Last Rebel Racing went out of business a while back because they were ripping people off. Anyway, I believe that the guy who owned Last Rebel Racing is running another company now. It's called Rebel Star or something. Not 100% sure though. Maybe someone else will know more about it.

 

I believe its called American Star Racing or something similar to that..do not do business with these people, they are utter frauds.


Not buying product from a company because they don't support racing is like not buying product from John Deere because they don't give back to farming or something...merely supplying the product IS their contribution to the sport.

In my mind, I'll do business with any reputable company that has good product, good service, and prompt shipping, wether they sponsor racers or not.

 

You just don't get it, do you? We are all trying to make ATV racing bigger and better. IF a company is not into making it bigger and better, eventually helping themselves, they are not worth my time or money. You can't use the John Deere reference because farming and racing are 2 completely different things. The larger ATV racing gets, the better the products get, and the more money companies who support racing will get. Look at auto racing, the companies that supply parts to their sponsored racers support the sport and most, if not all, are profiting from it. Just think about it for a minute. If you race, do you really want a company selling you High Performace race stuff and then have them not care about the racing aspect? That tells me they probably dont know a whole lot about racing and the product will probably not be that good (unless it is a resold item like K&N Filters and such) Also, you are going to want to deal with someone who knows about racing to answer any questions you might have. The longer people have you attitude, the longer ATV racing as a sport will stay where it is with minimal growth. I would like to see our sport with the rider turnout and fan turnout of a Supercross Bike series. This is one of the few ways we can help our sport. Just go to atvscene.com and look at the article on there about sponsors and supporting our sport. Pay attention to John Arens comments. He hits the nail right on the head. Just think about it.

 

mdegain,

Look man, I want atv racing to get popular just as much as the next guy.. But if you think I'm going to wait around, and let K&K ATV get in a set of steel brake lines, or whatever it is, when i could just call RMATV, and get it.. Sorry! I'm going throught 3 weeks of downtime, just by ordering through a race company. If everyone had your attitude towards this matter, the race companies would be out of stock most of the time. Besides, do you think Rocky Mountain makes FMF Pipes? NO. Rocky Mountain pays just as much for the FMF's as you would, if you were goin to order them. Look man, racing is catching on. The ATV world is getting a new face.. and it's race! All I'm saying is.. Yes, it's great to support race companies, but not neccessary. They get enough money from the pros!

 

I sure be crhye250R is getting tired of all these replies.. but what the heck, I'll give him another.


Does anyone know where I could find a set of Russell Performance steel braided brake lines, for +2 over A Arms on a Banshee? Vito's Performance HAD them, but they're out of stock.. Thanks!

 

Good - James Lucky, accwhse.com (don't know name)


ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE!! Hillsboro and Beaverton Honda

 

Lonestar,

The race companies get no money from the pros. All they get is advertisement. None of the purse money goes to the companies. In case you didn't notice, the purses are not that big, so even if they did get money, it would be very little. Now if you mean money from the pro's as far as advertising and people buying what the pros have, the sorry for the argument. My posts are in no way meant to offend anyone. If they have, I am sorry. I am just sparking up a healthy conversation about the future of our sport. I think this is a good way to get poins across, as you have said some points that make sense. Of course, people do what they have to to avoid downtime. I, in all reality, would too. But, when at all possible, I buy from supporting companies. Again, lonestar, i dont mean any bad blood between us. We are all ATV'ers and we need to stick together. Just healthy discussion.

 

Sorry mdegain, that's what I meant.. that the pros give advertisments. Look, I totally agree with you in the aspect of "Giving to the company, so they can give to us". I will buy from a race company before ANY other, IF they have what I'm looking for! I'm also trying to get a good convo going here... If I came off like I was mad or anything, I'm sorry.. Didn't mean to.. I mean, I'm the type of guy that wants as little down time as possible.. If that means ordering from a non race company I.E. Dennis Kirk, then I will order from them. Its as simple as that.. Sorry for the confusement

 

<< The larger ATV racing gets, the better the products get, and the more money companies who support racing will get. >>



Racing is, and always will be, a very small percentage of ATV usage. Although the sport is seeing a resurgence with the new models, it is still less than 5% of the total user group (AMA and Dealer News surveys from last year).

Support those companies who support Blue Ribbon and/or AMA, who ride themselves, or who race. Any company that's willing to stick it's neck out and stand up for ATV'ing - in any form - should be high on the list of people to buy from.



<< Rocky Mountain pays just as much for the FMF's as you would, if you were goin to order them >>



No they don't, they pay dealer or distributor pricing (20% to 60% less than retail).



<< I would like to see our sport with the rider turnout and fan turnout of a Supercross Bike series. >>



The closest we got was with the Mickey Thompson series. Even then, it was just a tiny part of a big show. When the companies pulled their support back in 1985 (Honda), 1986 (Kawasaki) and 1988 (Suzuki), the sport went into a decline. There were no large aftermarket companies to pick up the slack.

Also, although ATV racing is big on the East Coast, the west coast is where all the off-road money is - the biggest aftermarkets are in California. Unfortunately, they're not interested in spending $$ on a series that doesn't even get to the west side of the Rocky Mountains.

It's frustrating - especially for the pros. Even riders in the top 10 are paying more than they're earning to race the series'.

Unless the factory support returns, it's going to stay the hobby sport it is today. And unless they start promoting races on BOTH coasts, the factory support won't happen.

 

mdegain: I think it is you that does not understand. If you want me to use another example, how about motorcycles/dirt bikes. Motocross racing is MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger with motorcycles than it is with quads (the whole motorcycle racing scene is bigger in general) and it still is only a small fraction of all motorcycle use.

It's great that companies like K&amp;K and Nacs cater to racers, and racers tend to get their product from them because they usually have what they need, however, it has been my observation that it comes at a higher cost than your company that doesn't cater to racers. Also, the percentage of aftermarket parts that are sold to racers is rather small compared to the percentage of parts sold to the average Joe weekend warrior rider, who wants his quad to go a lil faster, handle a little better, or both.

I agree with Pam that the manufacturers need to get back into racing, and develop a west to east coast racing series, not the current series which pretty much races east of the Mississippi River. It's great to see Cannondale supporting the racers and getting themselves involved. Maybe it will be a wakeup call to the Japanese manufacturers to get with it!