Feel for deep grooving in the clutch towers where the buttons glide. If they're really deep button replacement may not help on the clanking. I've had them come into the shop that sounded like diesel trucks when people waited too long for clutch rebuilds.

 

ok so im pretty excited to say the clutch will be fine i think lol the buttons are toast theres only 1 solid button on it that looks ok the rest are squished and 2 are missing the towers look mint all smooth except for the one the button is missing kinda has a very tiny groov not bad at all but i guess thats cuz the buttons not there ...

Also i was really scared it was the rod or crank shafts or whatever its called bearings where gone that was making the clutch do that but the clutch has no up and down or left to right play on the pole ... and the recoil starter plate dosent have any play what so ever lol .......

so now back to the camshaft it is still very cold here will try to get some good quality piics or a vid to post by the weekend and go from there

thanks guys for ur help

 

Missing buttons will make some noise.. Hopefully new ones will solve the problem and the clutch will be ok. Try to get a good side shot of the cam lobe if you can.As long as it looks like the intake lobes and not ground down,the cam may not be the problem. Keep us updated.

 

okkkk so bad news haha broke my phone getting a new one next friday so i wont be taking any pics till next weekend now of the cam .... BUT for no reason at all i decided to take the clutch cover off again but this time start the machine and it dident bogg at all my question is did i just get lucky and this time it decied to do okay ? ... guess we wont know forsure until i take cam pics ..will try to borrow camra from sombody and get those pics up tomorow night

 

Just lucky or the clutch may have been rubbing the cover. Seems you would have noticed any rubbing noise even above the clutch clacking if it was. Just rebuild the clutches,check the motor mounts for any separation or engine flexing and once that's done if you still have problems at least you can eliminate the clutches as causing the problem.

 

hey opt can i just unscrew the rockkers assy or do i have to do a bnch of stuff first ? like tdc and all that ?

 

Easier if you have it at tdc or close to it. Just pull the recoil,watch as the intake rocker arms go down and come back up.Look at the cam sprocket to see that the index pin is straight up for tdc. Stop and check that you have clearance under the intake and exhaust rocker arms. Then just unbolt the rocker blocks,BUT You can still just rotate the engine and have the cam lobe sideways to get a good view without having to pull the rocker arm blocks,but this is up to you. Tdc on the pic.

 

ok i got it heres the pics not very good i took about 15 pics and these 2 were the only non blurry ones . .

 

Lobe height looks good hard to see any damage from oily film on the lobe,slight scarring on rocker pad from cam detent ball rubbing,but all in all not too bad looking considering what some have looked like.. I'd concentrate on getting that noisy clutch repaired and take it from there..Rocker arm pads torque back down to 10 foot pounds max.

 

ok thats good news lol save me 300 bucks for now... the lobe in he middle has a couple scratches but nothing major

i dident torque the 4 bolts back down cuz i dont have a wrench but i did use a socket and get them pretty tight but not to tight..i hope thats ok..

also any ideas that would be causing my bog ? valves ? carb rebuild kit ? i dont have one of those rubber gaskets on my air box lid to nuch air ?
weak spark ? my sapark is pretty orange ...cant do nothing about clutch atm id have to go buy puller impact gun .... also do you know any cheap clutch rebuild kits ?


thanks opt.