They really slapped the face of Honda
Mar 7, 2005 | 01:27 PM
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Hello Muddy. The 05 Foreman has a new lighter and supposedly more reliable version of their front differential switching from 2WD to 3WD. And they also have a front differential that applies all the driving torque to the wheel that has the traction not the wheel that looses traction. To answer your question if front diff lock would be desirable, I would say only if it did not compromise the reliability of getting into at least 3WD, and if it didn't weigh much or cost much. Under these conditions sure I would take front diff lock but I would not leave Honda to get it. I think it gets back to work vrs play. For work you need the 3WD plus a good winch. So if you get stuck the winch will always get you out. No big deal if you take an extra 15 min with winch to get out. For play you really do not want to be the one guy who cannot get through and have to listen to the jeers and sneers from your buds. It is much more fun to be the one to blast through and do the sneering. So here I think the diff lock is more important for your self esteem. But you still need the winch for that serious mud bog even if only to help someone elso get out.
For my situation I believe the existing 3WD would do 100% of what I need and the winch is insurance and speed is not important. I would be hard pressed to accept any loss in reliability.
For my situation I believe the existing 3WD would do 100% of what I need and the winch is insurance and speed is not important. I would be hard pressed to accept any loss in reliability.
Mar 7, 2005 | 01:56 PM
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I can't imagne not going through whatever trail it is because my front diff does not lock.
Talk about sneering, "Ohhh, I can't go thorugh that, my front diff won't lock".
No, its really cause my belt is wet and my primary won't engage. No not that belt, the belt on my ATV :-)
Talk about sneering, "Ohhh, I can't go thorugh that, my front diff won't lock".
No, its really cause my belt is wet and my primary won't engage. No not that belt, the belt on my ATV :-)
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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BIGBLOCK,
Its just not about riding trails,there are all types of differant terrains you can get yourself involved in that someone may benefit greatly from having a locker?Being someone thats been involved in 3-4 wheelers for allmost 22 yrs,I've witnessed quite a few times when a limited slip ATV had to be pulled out of certain circumstances that a locked ATV would make it thru,especially when it come to a Honda,because of its lower ground clearance.
Its just not about riding trails,there are all types of differant terrains you can get yourself involved in that someone may benefit greatly from having a locker?Being someone thats been involved in 3-4 wheelers for allmost 22 yrs,I've witnessed quite a few times when a limited slip ATV had to be pulled out of certain circumstances that a locked ATV would make it thru,especially when it come to a Honda,because of its lower ground clearance.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:20 PM
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Two words, operator error. To say a machine will not make it thru certain sections of a trail is ridiculous. It's more about momentum than anything. Put a good rider on any machine and see which ones get stuck. Plus a tire that clean itself has more to do with not getting stuck than anything. 2 or 4 wheel drive.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by: motox26
Two words, operator error. To say a machine will not make it thru certain sections of a trail is ridiculous. It's more about momentum than anything. Put a good rider on any machine and see which ones get stuck. Plus a tire that clean itself has more to do with not getting stuck than anything. 2 or 4 wheel drive.
Two words, operator error. To say a machine will not make it thru certain sections of a trail is ridiculous. It's more about momentum than anything. Put a good rider on any machine and see which ones get stuck. Plus a tire that clean itself has more to do with not getting stuck than anything. 2 or 4 wheel drive.
I'll Give you some Examples.
Example 1.
Your Crawling out of a creek, you come to a muddy bank where you cant get a run at, andto top it off its off camber to throw One front wheel in the air. With a limited slip your at the Bottom, spinning. With a locked front end, You have a wheel on the ground pulling.
Example 2. You come to a NAsty pile of rocks, going slightly uphill.. Again, you have no run, and anything over a crawl is impossible, regardless of skill.. A machine with a locked front end will do better also here.
In bottomless mud, theres not as much of a difference, because mud does a great job of equalizing the traction between the front end, thus allowing both front wheels to usually pull equally. But what happens when you come to the end of the mud pit, and suddenly your leaning over, reverting to two wheel drive as you try to exit the hole and your right front tire is in the air spinning helplessly?
A locked front end is not a necessity, but a nice option that will allow you to go places others cannot without being pulled or winched.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:37 PM
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You forgot example four: You are doing 50 mph thru the creek and jump over the bank. E=MC^2( a body in motion tends to stay in motion until it hits a equal opposing force)
Riding tip: stay on top of the quad.
Riding tip: stay on top of the quad.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:40 PM
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Look, I admit if your riding like grandpa lockers are nice. But if you know how to ride and how to pick your lines you can pretty much make it thru or up anything.
And please explain to me what is false plain and simple,
-Momentum is key thru sticky situations, I believe that is true
-tires that clean themselves is crucial, Ill be dammed, that is true to![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
Before you judge my statements, be sure to be clear on what is false. And I usually don't do this because this is the net and all, but I will put up a wager. You can take a 4wd with lockers, and I'll ride a 2wd with a descent set of tires, and I guarantee you I will get thru anything you will unless we have to keep a minimum speed of 10mph.
And please explain to me what is false plain and simple,
-Momentum is key thru sticky situations, I believe that is true
-tires that clean themselves is crucial, Ill be dammed, that is true to![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
Before you judge my statements, be sure to be clear on what is false. And I usually don't do this because this is the net and all, but I will put up a wager. You can take a 4wd with lockers, and I'll ride a 2wd with a descent set of tires, and I guarantee you I will get thru anything you will unless we have to keep a minimum speed of 10mph.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by: motox26
Look, I admit if your riding like grandpa lockers are nice. But if you know how to ride and how to pick your lines you can pretty much make it thru or up anything.
And please explain to me what is false plain and simple,
-Momentum is key thru sticky situations, I believe that is true
-tires that clean themselves is crucial, Ill be dammed, that is true to![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
Before you judge my statements, be sure to be clear on what is false. And I usually don't do this because this is the net and all, but I will put up a wager. You can take a 4wd with lockers, and I'll ride a 2wd with a descent set of tires, and I guarantee you I will get thru anything you will unless we have to keep a minimum speed of 10mph.
Look, I admit if your riding like grandpa lockers are nice. But if you know how to ride and how to pick your lines you can pretty much make it thru or up anything.
And please explain to me what is false plain and simple,
-Momentum is key thru sticky situations, I believe that is true
-tires that clean themselves is crucial, Ill be dammed, that is true to![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
Before you judge my statements, be sure to be clear on what is false. And I usually don't do this because this is the net and all, but I will put up a wager. You can take a 4wd with lockers, and I'll ride a 2wd with a descent set of tires, and I guarantee you I will get thru anything you will unless we have to keep a minimum speed of 10mph.
Where you will have near ZERO momentum.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE
And for the.. Jump across the creek comment..Well, If you can come out of a 90 degree turn, and gain enough momentum in 12 feet to jum a 65 foot creek with some volkswagon size boulders, and alot of smaller rocks, and land on top of the rocky bank on the other side, then more power to you..But I have to tell you, and this is coming from an engineer, Physics isnt on your side.. In fact, I'll outright tell you, it cant be done. Not everything has a run leading up to the obstacle.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:49 PM
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Another thing about lockers, I think they are a necessaty when you are off roading a Jeep or Truck, but there is a reason for that, they weigh 30 times a human does. On a quad weight can be manuevered you know and that makes more of a difference than I guess some of you think.
But then again if your the type of rider that stays planted on a seat and don't move nothing but your wrists, then I guess locker is needed then.
Also, I used to own a Fourman 400 and 300 Fourtrax as a kid and I went thru some nasty terrain in wet months and never seemed to have a problem. Heck you guys call them inferior, to me there was nothing they couldn't do if operated right. And that includes when my 80 year old grandpa was driving.
But then again if your the type of rider that stays planted on a seat and don't move nothing but your wrists, then I guess locker is needed then.
Also, I used to own a Fourman 400 and 300 Fourtrax as a kid and I went thru some nasty terrain in wet months and never seemed to have a problem. Heck you guys call them inferior, to me there was nothing they couldn't do if operated right. And that includes when my 80 year old grandpa was driving.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by: motox26
Another thing about lockers, I think they are a necessaty when you are off roading a Jeep or Truck, but there is a reason for that, they weigh 30 times a human does. On a quad weight can be manuevered you know and that makes more of a difference than I guess some of you think.
But then again if your the type of rider that stays planted on a seat and don't move nothing but your wrists, then I guess locker is needed then.
Also, I used to own a Fourman 400 and 300 Fourtrax as a kid and I went thru some nasty terrain in wet months and never seemed to have a problem. Heck you guys call them inferior, to me there was nothing they couldn't do if operated right. And that includes when my 80 year old grandpa was driving.
Another thing about lockers, I think they are a necessaty when you are off roading a Jeep or Truck, but there is a reason for that, they weigh 30 times a human does. On a quad weight can be manuevered you know and that makes more of a difference than I guess some of you think.
But then again if your the type of rider that stays planted on a seat and don't move nothing but your wrists, then I guess locker is needed then.
Also, I used to own a Fourman 400 and 300 Fourtrax as a kid and I went thru some nasty terrain in wet months and never seemed to have a problem. Heck you guys call them inferior, to me there was nothing they couldn't do if operated right. And that includes when my 80 year old grandpa was driving.