They really slapped the face of Honda
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by: ktmguy70
Because with over 30 years of riding Experience, I can tell you with 100 % Certainty, That there are places
Where you will have near ZERO momentum..
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Originally posted by: motox26
Look, I admit if your riding like grandpa lockers are nice. But if you know how to ride and how to pick your lines you can pretty much make it thru or up anything.
And please explain to me what is false plain and simple,
-Momentum is key thru sticky situations, I believe that is true
-tires that clean themselves is crucial, Ill be dammed, that is true to![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
Before you judge my statements, be sure to be clear on what is false. And I usually don't do this because this is the net and all, but I will put up a wager. You can take a 4wd with lockers, and I'll ride a 2wd with a descent set of tires, and I guarantee you I will get thru anything you will unless we have to keep a minimum speed of 10mph.
Look, I admit if your riding like grandpa lockers are nice. But if you know how to ride and how to pick your lines you can pretty much make it thru or up anything.
And please explain to me what is false plain and simple,
-Momentum is key thru sticky situations, I believe that is true
-tires that clean themselves is crucial, Ill be dammed, that is true to![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img]
Before you judge my statements, be sure to be clear on what is false. And I usually don't do this because this is the net and all, but I will put up a wager. You can take a 4wd with lockers, and I'll ride a 2wd with a descent set of tires, and I guarantee you I will get thru anything you will unless we have to keep a minimum speed of 10mph.
Where you will have near ZERO momentum..
.
And besides, everytime Im in that situation of not having any room to get a run, it is in front of a steep hill. Which in most cases a 2wd drive sport will make it up better than a 4wd. Please don't respond by saying a 4wd is a better steep hill climber than a sport so I don't have to post why.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by: ktmguy70
Well if you had a 400 and 300 Fourtrax and You went through Everything you threw at it, Then not much was thrown at it.
Originally posted by: motox26
Another thing about lockers, I think they are a necessaty when you are off roading a Jeep or Truck, but there is a reason for that, they weigh 30 times a human does. On a quad weight can be manuevered you know and that makes more of a difference than I guess some of you think.
But then again if your the type of rider that stays planted on a seat and don't move nothing but your wrists, then I guess locker is needed then.
Also, I used to own a Fourman 400 and 300 Fourtrax as a kid and I went thru some nasty terrain in wet months and never seemed to have a problem. Heck you guys call them inferior, to me there was nothing they couldn't do if operated right. And that includes when my 80 year old grandpa was driving.
Another thing about lockers, I think they are a necessaty when you are off roading a Jeep or Truck, but there is a reason for that, they weigh 30 times a human does. On a quad weight can be manuevered you know and that makes more of a difference than I guess some of you think.
But then again if your the type of rider that stays planted on a seat and don't move nothing but your wrists, then I guess locker is needed then.
Also, I used to own a Fourman 400 and 300 Fourtrax as a kid and I went thru some nasty terrain in wet months and never seemed to have a problem. Heck you guys call them inferior, to me there was nothing they couldn't do if operated right. And that includes when my 80 year old grandpa was driving.
Ok, now your acting like a child trying to throw low blows. Believe me, I run with a crew of about 7 of us that love nothin more than to find obstacles. I've been thru more than a few mudholes. But assume what you want, cause instead of responding with a informative post like you was earlier, you have stooped down to childish like comments.
Mar 7, 2005 | 02:58 PM
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Well now you are adding variables that weren't there before. I don't try to climb rocks the size of VW's. I am pretty sure you can't do it either. 4WD or not.
And you are right, I can't clear 65' on my 400ex. I am good for about 40' after that I take a girlie pass. I have to be to work on Monday.
The point I think we were trying to make is that momentum is a big factor in traversing terrain and if you have enough of it, physics is on your side. How do you think they get those big rocket ships into outer space? And I am glad you are a engineer too. I have spent many a sleepless night wondering what you do for a living. I guess the great mystery is over and I can move on with my life. Thank you.
And you are right, I can't clear 65' on my 400ex. I am good for about 40' after that I take a girlie pass. I have to be to work on Monday.
The point I think we were trying to make is that momentum is a big factor in traversing terrain and if you have enough of it, physics is on your side. How do you think they get those big rocket ships into outer space? And I am glad you are a engineer too. I have spent many a sleepless night wondering what you do for a living. I guess the great mystery is over and I can move on with my life. Thank you.
Mar 7, 2005 | 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by: bullhoggrande
Well now you are adding variables that weren't there before. I don't try to climb rocks the size of VW's. I am pretty sure you can't do it either. 4WD or not.
And you are right, I can't clear 65' on my 400ex. I am good for about 40' after that I take a girlie pass. I have to be to work on Monday.
The point I think we were trying to make is that momentum is a big factor in traversing terrain and if you have enough of it, physics is on your side. How do you think they get those big rocket ships into outer space? And I am glad you are a engineer too. I have spent many a sleepless night wondering what you do for a living. I guess the great mystery is over and I can move on with my life. Thank you.
Well now you are adding variables that weren't there before. I don't try to climb rocks the size of VW's. I am pretty sure you can't do it either. 4WD or not.
And you are right, I can't clear 65' on my 400ex. I am good for about 40' after that I take a girlie pass. I have to be to work on Monday.
The point I think we were trying to make is that momentum is a big factor in traversing terrain and if you have enough of it, physics is on your side. How do you think they get those big rocket ships into outer space? And I am glad you are a engineer too. I have spent many a sleepless night wondering what you do for a living. I guess the great mystery is over and I can move on with my life. Thank you.
Especially when I guess everybody who has a Fourman or Fourtrax can't go thru much. I guess my sport bike is really hurtin huh?
Mar 7, 2005 | 03:06 PM
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I am with motoX. I am tired of this child like posting. My recess is almost over and I have story time in another five minutes with Mrs. Brown.
Ride what you have and enjoy it. That is what I do. If crawling over rocks and debris and stuff is your bag, hey you are the one that bought the quad not me. When you start buying me my quads I guess I will ride what you get me, until then I want to go fast and launch off pass/fail doubles, ride wheelies and climb hills. Occasionally do some flat dirt track hillbilly racing. My 400ex is fine for me. Knock it if you want. I don't care.
Ride what you have and enjoy it. That is what I do. If crawling over rocks and debris and stuff is your bag, hey you are the one that bought the quad not me. When you start buying me my quads I guess I will ride what you get me, until then I want to go fast and launch off pass/fail doubles, ride wheelies and climb hills. Occasionally do some flat dirt track hillbilly racing. My 400ex is fine for me. Knock it if you want. I don't care.
Mar 7, 2005 | 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by: motox26
Ok, now your acting like a child trying to throw low blows. Believe me, I run with a crew of about 7 of us that love nothin more than to find obstacles. I've been thru more than a few mudholes. But assume what you want, cause instead of responding with a informative post like you was earlier, you have stooped down to childish like comments.
Originally posted by: ktmguy70
Well if you had a 400 and 300 Fourtrax and You went through Everything you threw at it, Then not much was thrown at it.
Originally posted by: motox26
Another thing about lockers, I think they are a necessaty when you are off roading a Jeep or Truck, but there is a reason for that, they weigh 30 times a human does. On a quad weight can be manuevered you know and that makes more of a difference than I guess some of you think.
But then again if your the type of rider that stays planted on a seat and don't move nothing but your wrists, then I guess locker is needed then.
Also, I used to own a Fourman 400 and 300 Fourtrax as a kid and I went thru some nasty terrain in wet months and never seemed to have a problem. Heck you guys call them inferior, to me there was nothing they couldn't do if operated right. And that includes when my 80 year old grandpa was driving.
Another thing about lockers, I think they are a necessaty when you are off roading a Jeep or Truck, but there is a reason for that, they weigh 30 times a human does. On a quad weight can be manuevered you know and that makes more of a difference than I guess some of you think.
But then again if your the type of rider that stays planted on a seat and don't move nothing but your wrists, then I guess locker is needed then.
Also, I used to own a Fourman 400 and 300 Fourtrax as a kid and I went thru some nasty terrain in wet months and never seemed to have a problem. Heck you guys call them inferior, to me there was nothing they couldn't do if operated right. And that includes when my 80 year old grandpa was driving.
Ok, now your acting like a child trying to throw low blows. Believe me, I run with a crew of about 7 of us that love nothin more than to find obstacles. I've been thru more than a few mudholes. But assume what you want, cause instead of responding with a informative post like you was earlier, you have stooped down to childish like comments.
Mar 7, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by: bullhoggrande
Well now you are adding variables that weren't there before. I don't try to climb rocks the size of VW's. I am pretty sure you can't do it either. 4WD or not.
And you are right, I can't clear 65' on my 400ex. I am good for about 40' after that I take a girlie pass. I have to be to work on Monday.
The point I think we were trying to make is that momentum is a big factor in traversing terrain and if you have enough of it, physics is on your side. How do you think they get those big rocket ships into outer space? And I am glad you are a engineer too. I have spent many a sleepless night wondering what you do for a living. I guess the great mystery is over and I can move on with my life. Thank you.
Well now you are adding variables that weren't there before. I don't try to climb rocks the size of VW's. I am pretty sure you can't do it either. 4WD or not.
And you are right, I can't clear 65' on my 400ex. I am good for about 40' after that I take a girlie pass. I have to be to work on Monday.
The point I think we were trying to make is that momentum is a big factor in traversing terrain and if you have enough of it, physics is on your side. How do you think they get those big rocket ships into outer space? And I am glad you are a engineer too. I have spent many a sleepless night wondering what you do for a living. I guess the great mystery is over and I can move on with my life. Thank you.
Mar 7, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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I never said they were junk. I have been stuck more times than I care to remember, and without reverse believe me it sucks to deadlift that buried rear end out when you are on top of a 60 degree 200' sand hill, or worse in a big mud hole.
Like I said ride what you have and enjoy. The worst time I ever had on a quad was still a absolute blast.
Like I said ride what you have and enjoy. The worst time I ever had on a quad was still a absolute blast.
Mar 7, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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KTMGUY,
MOTO 'gaureentee's' you that he can go anyplace a 4x4 with lockers can go on a 2wd ATV with a good set of tires..
There's no sense in trying to convince someone with his obvious lack of actual 4x4 riding experiences anything else except what he beleives..
Its like some folks still beleive Elvis is alive too.
MOTO 'gaureentee's' you that he can go anyplace a 4x4 with lockers can go on a 2wd ATV with a good set of tires..
There's no sense in trying to convince someone with his obvious lack of actual 4x4 riding experiences anything else except what he beleives..
Its like some folks still beleive Elvis is alive too.
Mar 7, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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I apologize, I didn't mean to imply that I never been stuck or wrecked or whatever, believe me I have had my shares of whoops and have scars to prove it. But I still stand by what I meant, and that is a rider has more to do with what your tackling than your equipment does.
I also agree with the fact that ground clearance is a big factor as well, but I still don't understand why you seem to think a 300 or 400 Fourtrax is so inferior? I mean seriously, I have been around many types of machines and these always pulled there weight no matter who was riding.
And Im going to go out on a limb here and might get bashed for it, besides flat out mud bogs, Im going to say a mid-classed ute will outdo the top dog of utes no matter what brand because of nimbleness, balance, and weight. Earlier I said if was going to buy a ute it would be a Rancher or something, this is why. I think some of these "modern" quad should be classified as a Jeep.
I also agree with the fact that ground clearance is a big factor as well, but I still don't understand why you seem to think a 300 or 400 Fourtrax is so inferior? I mean seriously, I have been around many types of machines and these always pulled there weight no matter who was riding.
And Im going to go out on a limb here and might get bashed for it, besides flat out mud bogs, Im going to say a mid-classed ute will outdo the top dog of utes no matter what brand because of nimbleness, balance, and weight. Earlier I said if was going to buy a ute it would be a Rancher or something, this is why. I think some of these "modern" quad should be classified as a Jeep.